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> they can shutdown your account if threats persisted

That problem can NEVER be avoided at any level unless you run absolutely everything (which is almost impossible).

What everyone does is have a system to quickly pass on and also shutdown who's 1 layer down. You receive a report and deal with the client.

> I was interested in building my own cloud

At the end of the day the problem has nothing to do with clouds. It happens everywhere e.g. if you rented out a house and someone did something illegal with it... how do you avoid it? All the same.

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We actually ran out of my house in our very early stages at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber 8gbps for $150/mo. The only issue was the Google Fiber terms of service — ie they could shut us down at any time. This was one reason we went to colocation.

> at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber

So you didn’t own everything. Google owned the IPs and network.

It’s the same colocating in that your network providers can be shut down.

I guess you're right. Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself? Even if you open your own data center, at some point you have to agree to peer with big fiber providers like Segra, Lumen, AWS Edge Network, right?

> Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself?

Even if you do there's still more to it e.g. blacklists of different kinds e.g. known proxies, spam listings, etc that would still mean you need to kick out your client.

Then there's the bad clients you need to deal with e.g. if they send DoS from your network. Even if you don't get a report it will eat up your limited resources and you may be subject to revenges and bring down your infrastructure.

Conclusion: there's lots to it but so does every business. That's just life.

Yes I agree but there was always this fear I had/still have that if abuse gets too much, some providers might be unwilling to give proper support

This is why honestly I had been talking to more indie cloud providers and realized the whole space of low-endtalk and I think that a good compromise to the whole situation is as if I can rent servers but they can realize that at the end of the day, I am an indie solution myself and this is something which in my opinion is only possible with either large but specific cloud providers (fwiw upcloud although they blocked my account because I hadnt added card details or similar supports it and mostly small cloud providers support it)

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