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The CUII does not need a verdict to enact censorship. Make of that what you will.

The police doesn't need a verdict to issue you a fine either. But you can challenge your fine (and your block) in court.

Challenging the IP bans in Italy is stupidly hard. Your VM gets an IP address that was used a few months ago for soccer piracy? Too bad, you won't be able to access it from Italy.

Surely there's some EU trade barriers law about that

Are you really countering an argument against censorship by a power abusing entity with another group famous for power abuse?

No.

1. CCUI isn't even a government body

2. parent comment is wrong, CCUI is requiring court action by their members before they act.

3. I rather have companies competing under market pressure to find solutions to topics like copyright infringement than the German state (once again) creating massive surveillance laws and technical infrastructure for their enforcement in -house.

2 is wrong. The CUII even blocks political activists because they dare to post their entire blocklist [1]

[1]: https://lina.sh/blog/telefonica-sabotages-me

Read the post, they never blocked the activist. They just changed what they replied to a DNS query of an already blocked site to make it harder to detect.

1. Article you've shared is from 2025-02-26 2. New rules have been in place from 2025-07 3. The author hasn't been blocked at all. You're either a liar or you cannot read.

A fine doesn't cause immediate harm as you don't have to immediately pay it while you challenge it in court, having your IP or website blocked happens immediately and will continue harming you until it's decreted that it wasn't lawful.

That depends on the country you are in. In some countries you have to pay anyway and then you get it back if you win the court case. And they're banking on you not challenging the fine because the fees for the court case will exceed the fine so you lose either way.

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