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The truth Elon left out

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I’m really not sure why they are blogging like this instead of fighting this in court. This article just blows the thing up further and makes the context of the dispute even less clear. To think that a company valued at $600B (on paper) is responding like this is wild to me.

Altman and OpenAI just really like airing their dirty laundry in public with all of this stuff.

To me it feels like an attempt to appear non-corporate.

It's very off-putting.

I can't be the only one tired of the consistent relitigation of OpenAI corporate structure and funding, because like a lot of things with AI, generally it doesn't matter who you think is legally correct. We are in an environment in which non of this is actually being scrutinized under it's legal merit, but rather, personal and geopolitical.

But, generally I assume the idea is about building a case for when the dust settles, rather than looking for something to happen now.

Bunch of a-holes all of them.

But the OpenAI team built something that is used daily by 1B people and didn't exist before, whereas Musk history is one of providing marginal improvements to industries which are either well established (automobile 200 year old industry) or redundant (space and satellites)

AI killed the green trade which propped Musk 2011-2022, and I must say it is superior considering that it gives people hope of an improvement of their quality of life not just keeping the same without pollution.

Of course Musk kept accumulating billions after 2022 but that's a lagging indicator , he's seen as someone who lost the touch in SV

Honestly I don't think he ever had it, green revolution was always something rather depressing , it was the narrative but underneath it was still the long tail of Internet + smartphone social media + cryptocurrencies (all stuff that Musk missed) to provide hope and enthusiasm for a better future...until ChatGPT AI came around of course

Is it normal for one party to intentionally misrepresent facts in this way, on the record? Maybe the source material (that TFA compares) was unavailable when the statements were made, and were then produced as part of discovery (revealing the misrepresentation)?

Reminds me of a toddler with candy all over their face denying eating it.

(Not trying to say E is a toddler)

If you're a $100B+ entity, you let your lawyers do the talking in filings. By hosting this on their own blog, OpenAI is essentially admitting that they care more about the 'court of public opinion' than the actual court case. It feels less like a tech giant and more like a messy startup feud that hasn't grown up yet

I think the court of public opinion also matters greatly to be honest, especially when you are responsible for a dangerous technology

...Or you can't rely on the validity of courts under attack from the executive branch of the government.

And let's not forget the other side is in control of a propaganda bazooka, aka twitter, not addressing the public opinion would be suicidal for OAI.

Both sides here are $100B+ entities! But neither one is acting like it. The plaintiff is shitposting on Twitter, and the respondent is counter-shitposting on their blog (and also Twitter).

They should have asked ChatGPT, which offers this advice about blog posts related to ongoing litigation:

  - Publishing blog posts is almost always a bad idea

  - The upside is small; the downside can be enormous

  - Silence is often a strategic asset

  - Say nothing publicly beyond court filings

Pretty good advice!

As someone who isn't invested in this spat, this just looks petty for openai to put this on their website.

Just write a press release and let the tech press publish it. Don't host it yourself. The legalistic language belongs in a filing, not a user-facing blog.

Can you imagine if Apple did press releases like this? OpenAI won't last the decade.

Perfect example of "Why the mids beefin?"

Yes, I can absolutely imagine the early megalomaniacal Steve Jobs trash talking on the internet if he'd come up in this era. Without a doubt. The internet/social media not existing in his early years saved him from himself.

maybe they want as many people read this as possible and hopefully some jurors read it too?

This just makes them all look bad. It makes it clear the "open" rug pull was planned and the moral highground always a tool / facade.

fuck both elon and oai. Scum to the core both.

What a shocker, Elon Musk openly lying and deceiving the public? I sure did not expect this from the world's most powerful billionaire.

he lied what? he said in emails very clearly either convert to for profit with him has a controlling interest, or remains non profit without him. sam responded with something like they prefer non profit structure, then elon left, then they converted to for profit. scam.

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