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Ah yes, Linux on a laptop: wifi, sleep, graphics - pick any two

I've never had any WiFi issues, and I think most people who started using Linux in the mid 2010s have the same experience.

Graphic though, yes (I had as much sleep issues on windows than on Linux). Especially the dual graphics intel/Nvidia. I still have to force environment variables to launch my games with the correct GC

Lol. Yes. I would like to say that's not true... and for quite a while my Dell XPS would do all three, but it wasn't a cheap device. I think their driver team isn't supporting my 8 year old XPS anymore as sleeping is... problematic. And power management on linux laptops has always been worse than windows.

But... I will gnaw my left arm off before I go back to Mach or WinNT. (Maybe I'll try using HaikuOS as my daily driver...)

Though... fwiw... I've been running a non-x version of leenucks and then booting into a X and experimental Wayland FreeBSD VM via KVM and it seems to work well. I can halt the machine and save state in about a minute and then turn off the hardware. I come back later and restore. It's not a seamless operation, but I'm happy to live with it. It's also pretty easy to checkpoint the virtual disk before installing the bazillion packages I sometimes have to install to test out various python extensions. So all I have to do is revert to a checkpoint and all that crap is gone. I don't have to worry about remembering which packages I have to manually uninstall.

It's not 2005 anymore, most distros work 100% on install

Maybe. And then what’s battery life like - half, one 3rd?

Mostly similar - sometimes better, sometimes worse. It's not 2005 anymore.

I have an x86 HP tablet that dual boots Windows 11 and Linux. I don't have specific numbers, but battery life is better on the Linux side.

It's better than Windows, but obviously worse than Mac (both hardware and software reasons).

My laptops don't kill themselves waking up in my bags so I could argue it's at least 5x better than windows.

Things moved on nicely in 20 years, you should try it for yourself.

Where did I say I haven’t?

You wouldn't be asking questions like this if you had, you'd know the same answers found in this thread.

Just like the other replier, people who put words into others mouths are extremely annoying. And in both of your cases, come off as fanatical. I'd love to run Linux on a laptop (and have tried many times) but have actual work to get done.

Seems like you're just being obtuse for fun, which I also find extremely annoying.

What is the deal with waking up randomly with the lid closed on Windows?

I can't figure out why Windows has these crazy bugs that aren't addressed, aren't a huge company with almost infinite resources..?

Why can't they make Windows work properly, it's been 40 years... :-/

AFAIK, Microsoft and/or Intel pushed to remove the usual sleep S3 state and use a less sleepy state to be able to access network and display notifications. As if it was a tablet or a Macbook.

This is (of course) badly done, and tested as well the rest of Windows, so it results in laptops waking up in bags, choking thermally, and not going back to sleep.

Hm i have all three

Dell XPS? They were pretty good there for modern-ish devices. Not so much for random Inspirons. Lenovo had fairly decent support for their midrange on up models. HP makes crap, so it's unlikely I'll every touch another HP laptop in my lifetime.

But... I think the poster above should have said something like "pick any two (for a depressingly large number of laptop models.)" Also see my post above about what seems to be XPS models falling out of support after eight years or so.

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