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I've yet to encounter any censorship with Grok. Despite all the negative news about what people are telling it to do, I've found it very useful in discussing controversial topics.

I'll use ChatGPT for other discussions but for highly-charged political topics, for example, Grok is the best for getting all sides of the argument no matter how offensive they might be.

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Because something is offensive does not mean it reflects reality

This reminds me of my classmates saying they watched Fox News “just so they could see both sides”

It's more than that. If you ask ChatGPT what's the quickest legal way to get huge muscles, or live as long as possible it will tell you diet and exercise. If you ask Grok, it will mention peptides, gene therapy, various supplements, testosterone therapy, etc. ChatGPT ignores these or even says they are bad. It basically treats its audience as a bunch of suicidally reckless teenagers.

I did test it on controversial topics that I already know various sides of the argument and I could see it worked well to give a well-rounded exploration of the issue. I didn't get Fox News vibes from it at all.

When I did want to hear a biased opinion it would do that too. Prompts of the form "write about X from the point of view of Y" did the trick.

It will at least identify the key disputed items and claims. Chatgpt will routinely balk on topics from politics to reverse engineering.

Even more strange is that sometimes ChatGPT has a behavior where I'll ask it a question, it'll give me an answer which isn't censored, but then delete my question.

Well it would be both sides of The Narrative aka the partisan divide aka the conditioned response that news outlets like Fox News, CNN, etc. want you to incorporate into your thinking. None of them are concerned with delivering unbiased facts, only with saying the things that 1) bring in money and 2) align with the views of their chosen centers of power be they government, industry, culture, finance, or whoever else they want to cozy up to.

grok is indeed one of the most permitting models https://speechmap.ai/labs/

Surprising to see Mistral on top there. I’d imagine EU regulations / culture would require them to not be as free speech friendly.

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