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Fair, I was being loose with my language. What I should have said is that it does not come fully featured open source, that you need to do a certain amount of rolling your own.

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The same could be said for a webserver, a radius server, etc. I mean ssh "requires" a network to be remotely useful :)

Edit, since I can't reply sadly:

You're right, that was a bad example.

I can probably list at least a few dozen things that all require certificates though, which was really my point. Everything has dependencies.

Also if you just... Don't trust big tech, run your own CA.

nah, I dont buy that. A network is not a functional requirement of SSH etc in your use case.

Right, but if certificates are a fundamental part of your design, you should include the functional mechanisms to manage them imho (i.e., key distribution, auth/login). The developers created it, but they keep it in the commercial product. Other overlays which use PKI include those functions in the FOSS.

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