I guess so, but they still seem confused:

> Job's level of success. We never hear about them.

Success != hearing about it.

You don't hear or know about most people success, or failure, for that matter; even huge ones. You know about a very small subset of these. That's fame.

And I'm just not sure that "being a found of a billion+ dollar company" was what Jobs considered his own success; but a consequence or aside part of it. Actually, no one knows but him.