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" The US is going after the ICC because it perceives the ICC to be working against its interests and for the interests of the non-free/non-democratic world. If the spinless Europeans weren't, eh, spineless, then they would be working with the US here. " Why? What are the interest of the free world?

"Every decent person and country should be standing with other countries that support democracy and freedom." Netanyahu has some problems with the constitutional court in Israel + corruption allegations. If he succeeds, Israel might become authoritarian and though there is a growing antisemitism some Israel consider leaving Israel because of him.

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As we used to say when we were kids, if your grandmother had wheels she would be a bus.

Yes, Israel's democracy is under threat, very much fueled by those same external forces impact other western countries, social media and such.

The interest of the free world. In my opinion. Is to promote freedom and not give power to countries that are not free or democratic (which is most of the world). The UN primarily represents the non-free forces and its institutions similarly the same.

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/523711/Iran-elected-as-vice...

We need to fight for democracy in Israel and the US just the same way we fight for it everywhere.

Israel is a ethno-state and an apartheid regime. Don’t call this a Democracy, please.

It is a democracy within its legal internationally recognized borders. There is no apartheid in Israel. It's no more "ethno-state" than let's say Japan or Switzerland, in fact it is a lot more ethnically diverse with 2 million Arab citizens.

There is the problem of the occupied territories (which Israel's law considers occupied in alignment with international practices) where people in limbo due to the unresolved status. That's not apartheid (despite Israeli citizens being treated differently in those territories). Maybe legally and morally questionable but how we got here and why we can't fix this is also relevant.

> Israel is a ethno-state and an apartheid regime. Don’t call this a Democracy, please.

Ireland and Poland (as well as many other countries) are ethno-states too. Did they stop being democracies?

Last I checked, the vote of israeli non-Jews counted the same way as the israeli Jewish one.

How can Israel be an apartheid state if Arabs in Israel routinely take highest positions in both public and private sector? It makes zero sense.

No. Poland is not an ethno state, neither Ireland.

Ofc they are. The right of return in those are for poles or Irish only (respectively).

"The interest of the free world. In my opinion. Is to promote freedom and not give power to countries that are not free or democratic (which is most of the world)"

Currently I see Netanyahu and Trump as very opposing forces to freedom.

What is the difference between a free country and a dictatorship? In a free country even the government can be sued and brought into prison. Netanyahu (might be corrupt) and Trump (who is clearly corrupt) hate this fact. Hence they might be change the free democracies. And supranational justice is one way to make head of the states be responsible for their actions. Hence it is in the interest of the free world to support the ICC etc. And oppose people like Trump and Netanyahu.

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