While I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing, Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population.
Polling Israeli or US citizens on the extremist groups they support would be similarly dishonest; organizations like ICE, Blackwater and Irgun cannot be fairly conflated with their respective populations regardless of how the majority feels.
You should read about the Oslo accords and the failed talks at Camp David. This is to say that Israel has been trying for a long time to make peace with the Palestinians. Them not wanting has led most to give up and stop fighting the extremists.
We both know the majority of Israel supports the settlements and the status quo in Gaza, but maybe not the last few years. We both know they went out to protest against the punishment of your rapists.
Oslo and David talks included poison pills so that Palestinians would never agree to it. While I believe that Hamas should not exist I do believe the powers in Israel wants them to.
Essentially everyone but Israel supports the 1967 borders today, but Hamas does not recognize Israel, just like Israel didn't recognize Palestine in the Oslo accords, that would also allow settlements in the west bank to continue.
I don’t know what Ben Gurion’s private correspondence was, but it sure binds me, a millennial!
Your aggressive rhetoric doesn’t impress anyone, instead it signals your emotional gut response, probably an ill informed one.
You already hate me, a stranger, and nothing I will say will make you reconsider your position. That is because you hold it because you want to, and not because of real investigation.
Not sure if it's feigned victimhood or if you feel guilty for what your country is doing. Either way you seem to take what your country does personally.
Arab Israelis are a fact, despite what you think he wrote in his diary, and despite him having all the power to execute on whatever he wanted.
What matters is that pro-Palestinians aren't calling for the extermination of Israel, while Zionists are clearly calling for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Wanting the war to end does not automatically make you a Hamas terrorist, obviously.
> if you poll Israelis about their views of Palestinians, you'll find that the majority want to exterminate them all
Can you point me to that poll, or is that just your opinion?
> Zionists are clearly calling for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza
First of all, you clearly don’t know what Zionism is. Hell, it means different things for different people. Let me help you out: for most Israelis, Zionism is about independence and sovereignty for the jewish people. While there are Israelies who want the Palestinians out, only the crazies are actually considering it as a plausible reality. These crazies gain more political power the more the general population loses its faith the Palestinians are wanting peace, as opposed to fighting to the last man standing. You should read about the Oslo accords and the later failed talks at Camp David.
Lastly, wanting to vote for Hamas is absolutely not about wanting the war to end, as Hamas is a perpetrator of it. How did you make this astonishing logical leap?
> Can you point me to that poll, or is that just your opinion?
Not the parent, and not claiming anything about the truth or falsehood of this, but your comment got me to Google it, and this is what I found:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support...
https://www.trtworld.com/article/8802bc2d5043
Original source appears to be here: https://www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/2025-05-22/ty-article-mag...
Is this what you were asking for? What do you think of it?
I tried to find the original publication, but all I found was press coverage. Specifically I’m interested in the demographics - who was asked these questions, aside from the religious attributes that they name.
I am aware of this rhetoric you mention, I hate it myself, but I believe that it’s populist bullshit, just like most things this government is saying, including stuff that doesn’t get worldwide coverage, and are intended to cause outrage and get media coverage. This pattern (sadly) repeats in most western nations nowadays.
If there was ever an actual intent to get rid of the Palestinians, you would get an order of magnitude more dead. The means exist, not the intent.
I never made the statements you're suggesting I did to begin with.
> Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population.
Leaving aside whatever "still broad, to an extent" means: I never claimed otherwise, regardless. Certainly they have their share of supporters.
What I'm pointing out is that the parent's "friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine" are not (probably not? or hopefully not, at least in their view?) pro-Hamas or pro-genocide. Heck, I imagine they're probably not local Palestinians or in the surveyed population here to begin with. And the rest of the people around the world supporting Palestinians clearly aren't, either.
> I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing
That was literally my point.