The choice is between democracy and our current ever worsening sociopolitical hellscape.
If eliminating bots and sockpuppets is the price for restoring some semblance of democracy, then gosh darn.
And if social media, targeted ads, and algorithmic hate machines are collateral damage, than gee double gosh darn.
Those sacrifices are a price I'm willing to pay.
The point of ID laws is not to stop "bots" or "sockpuppets", it's to enable governments to shut down the speech of their political adversaries by painting them as dangerous. That is not democracy, that is authoritarianism, even if you absolutely hate the people that are being shut up.
Western countries are not in the midst of polarized political crises because of "external bad actors" or "sockpuppets". They're in these crises because of fundamental contradictions in values and desired policies between different segments of the populace.
The Europeans are currently full steam ahead in attempting to "fix" the situation by criminalizing dissent, which will, in the end, only exacerbate the political crisis by making the democratic system illegitimate.
Then make it the point.
The Internet is already all but dead. We could fix it (as I propose). Or we let it die.
I'm fine with either outcome.
> criminalizing dissent
When has that not been true? Serious question.
Socrates was compelled to commit suicide. Jesus was nailed to a cross. Journalist and activists are routinely murdered. How many political prisoners are there right now?
The outcome you fear happened a long time ago.
I was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory#Claims
> Yet we discourse here just fine.
True. But what makes HN an outlier?
It could die if it becomes profitable to spamers. Or maybe it's dead now and one or both of us are llms.
But as long as the content quality meets my personal utility threshold, it makes sense for me to visit it, regardless of whether it is a victim of DIT. Ultimately it's probably up to webmasters to understand if the traffic on their site is either profitable or of a high enough quality to justify the operating costs of a hobby.
Two other fine examples of thriving online communities are metafilter and ravelry.
I'm sure there's many more on the web. I just don't get out much.
And many, many not on the web. Using discord, telegram, old school BBSes, etc. But, as dead Internet theory notes, they're not publicly visible and therefore not discoverable, not being indexed.