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Comment by lbreakjai | Hacker News Reader

It's interesting to see some patterns starting to emerge. Over time, I ended up with a similar workflow. Instead of using plan files within the repository, I'm using notion as the memory and source of truth.

My "thinker" agent will ask questions, explore, and refine. It will write a feature page in notion, and split the implementation into tasks in a kanban board, for an "executor" to pick up, implement, and pass to a QA agent, which will either flag it or move it to human review.

I really love it. All of our other documentation lives in notion, so I can easily reference and link business requirements. I also find it much easier to make sense of the steps by checking the tickets on the board rather than in a file.

Reviewing is simpler too. I can pick the ticket in the human review column, read the requirements again, check the QA comments, and then look at the code. Had a lot of fun playing with it yesterday, and I shared it here:

https://github.com/marcosloic/notion-agent-hive

No criticism or anything, but it really does feel / sound like you (and others who embraced LLMs and agentic coding) aspire to be more of a product manager than a coder. Thing is, a "real" PM comes with a lot more requirements and there's less demand for them - more requirements in that you need to be a people person and willing to spend at least half your time in meetings, and less demand because one PM will organize the work for half a dozen developers (minimum).

Some people say LLM assisted coding will cost a lot of developers' jobs, but posts like this imply it'll cost (solve?) a lot of management / overhead too.

Mind you I've always thought project managers are kinda wasteful, as a software developer I'd love for Someone Else to just curate a list of tasks and their requirements / acceptance criteria. But unfortunately that's not the reality and it's often up to the developers themselves to create the tasks and fill them in, then execute them. Which of course begs the question, why do we still have a PM?

(the above is anecdotal and not a universal experience I'm sure. I hope.)

I worked with some excellent PMs in the past, it's an entirely different skillset. This wasn't really meant to replace what they do. I really wanted something with which to work at feature-level. That is, after all the hard work of figuring out _what_ to build has been done.

> as a software developer I'd love for Someone Else to just curate a list of tasks and their requirements / acceptance criteria

That's interesting. In every team I worked in, I always fought really hard against anyone but developers being able to write tickets on the board.

“one PM will organize the work for half a dozen developer”

That isn’t the job of a PM.

This seems more about how you view PMs than anything else.

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