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Iran killed 10 times more during protests without using AI. So AI is a clear improvement.

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How many people did the US kill in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last 25 years?

Way more than AI did. Another point to AI.

So far.

AI is wielded by the same actor as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

About 38 million have died as a result of US wars in the middle east this millenium.

Any people or combatants?

What about the other side? Do you expect the ratio to be different in the last 25 years?

Better kill the same civilian population they did, as perverse punishment, then? We have to kill them, or else Iran will kill them? The logic of this war doesn’t.

There is 0 evidence that many people died.

Let’s not parrot that media propaganda.

There's plenty of evidence that it's tens of thousands, but it's absurd to even argue over those numbers when a government massacring any number of its own citizens is morally reprehensible (whether it's 5k or 50k). Iran has a long history of executing its own citizens en masse.

Iran has admitted outright to 6k deaths, by the way.

Is there 0 evidence that it happened?

or just arguing over 20K,30K,50k?

Just want to clarify. Since some people argue Covid never happened, and some just argue the total deaths wasn't really that high.

There is a sliding scale between "I sound like a raving crazy person", and "i'm just splitting hairs."

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings or even small scale murders.

Wouldn't they shut down the Internet for me but not for thee?

So, are you guys saying, that the mass killings of protestors, did NOT happen?

This is all just made up?

Not sure why you are asking me about it. The point of my comment is that Iran will allow streaming what they'd want people to see.

I guess the parent was saying since there is no evidence, then it didn't happen. Almost sounding like a conspiracy, like the 30k death are fake. And you are simply saying, the Iranian Gov is blocking the information, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

We have not been shown any evidence that shows anything approaching this scale of people dead, we have not been told on what basis that specific number of deaths was determined and we have not been told why that supposed evidence can not be made public. 30 thousand killed in the span of two days would make this one of the bloodiest massacres in history. I don't see how that would not result in at least a single photo or satellite image of a street lined with dead bodies, of mass executions, of mass graves or simply just the logistics operation required to dispose of this many bodies. The only thing to back up this number is trusting the probably least trustworthy US administration in history.

Yeah. Guess that is good point.

During Covid, there were satellite pictures of mass graves. There is a certain amount of logistics with moving a lot of dead bodies, that is hard to hide.

I was thinking about this, if the deaths were actually at the scale of 10's of thousands, would that not be visible from space?

The US must have several dozen spy satellites pointed at Iran. We get various imagery to show us successful strikes. Where are the images of the mass slaughter in the street?

The number I keep seeing is 30k killed. That's not an easy endeavor over the course of a week without big logistical hurdles. The trucks, the digging equipment, the furnaces to burn the bodies, all should have some visible trace that the US gov could point to as proof.

Yet all we got is a "trust me bro".

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings.

WMD all over again.

Like I did see a handful of videos with body bags lining the street, but it couldn't have been more than 1-2 dozen. I've seen videos and satellite images of actual mass graves in gaza, fields full of bodies covered in sheets. Endless videos of toddlers with amputated limbs.

your assumption being the thugs mugging these protesters take care of the dead bodies, which I doubt

piles of bodies on the street would also be visible.

...according to two anonymous government officials.

Coincidentally that's literally the exact same evidence cited to prove the existence of Saddam's WMDs just before launching an entirely different unprovoked attack.

That was just an unhappy mistake though, this time it's totally legit.

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