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> Full compared to what?

Tesla set their own benchmark, their own goal posts, and their own timelines.

In 2016 Tesla said, "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.":

https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s...

https://web.archive.org/web/20240730071548/https://tesla.com...

That was, of course, a lie. Tesla has spent the last 10 years lying about the state of FSD. Tesla keeps claiming FSD will be achieved "next year".

What about 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil...

More lies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

But you knew all that already. Defending a decade's worth of lies is intellectually dishonest.

Some advice if you want to be intellectually satiated, I would suggest disregarding any forward-looking statements by any company executives. You'll find life to be a lot less emotionally draining.

You can change the subject to the hyperbole and spin by Elon Musk, that's fine. Just be aware that's what you're doing. You're changing the subject. I do understand this cult of anti-personality, but I'm only interested in the technology (made by thousands of people whose name is not Elon) in customer hands right now and not about past promises. Right now, their FSD technology stack looks fairly impressive.

The subject hasn't changed. The subject is Tesla's full self-driving is not, in fact, full self-driving.

It wasn't 10 years ago and it still isn't now.

If you are unable to admit to the practical reality of that then you are not interested in technology.

You changed the subject. If you cannot see this, perhaps ask an LLM to explain it to you.

As for the actual subject, your opinion on the semantic question is noted. I did ask, I suppose.

The moment you said "Full is a relative term. Full compared to what?" is the moment you started playing dishonest semantic games.

I recognize you're desperate to "win", but there's no winning once you embrace dishonesty.

Dude, nobody else is here. You need convince me that I did anything other than ask a reasonable semantic question. Trying to dissemble in front of a non-existent crowd isn't effective. Want to change my mind? Make an actual argument.

Now. How was I being dishonest? Be specific.

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