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Regardless of the minimal time with LLMs, I think he hit major points on importance of clarity of abstractions, unreliability, shipping more features and working harder than even and losing touch with the underlying implementation.

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Yeah there has to be a middle ground. Agentic engineering you could say is that middle ground, you know your code base and inspect it often. Isn't vibe coding treating your code as a black box where your prompts are the only interface? Sometimes I vibe code if the task is simple, if I'm doing serious work then I'm inspecting the code often. I don't think I will ever do "pure" coding ever again unless I'm in an env that is too secure to trust an agent to exist there.

If you are vibecoding an app without talking to anyone, those are problems.

This is still missing the point that LLM use isn't a binary choice between YOLO vibecoding or complete abstinence from LLM use.

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