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Somewhat unrelated, but the number of times I have invoked Ableton as a metaphor of challenging the status quo is quite high. I was a Cubase user before Ableton showed up and completely upended the DAW world. And they've kept going.

This is just what I've been looking for. I never warmed to Max for Live for mods. But the extensions SDK I can get behind.

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Also the fact that Ableton has stayed independent (and bought Cycling '74, maker of Max/MSP) is IMO critical to their ongoing success...Compare to how Native Instruments and iZoptope are mere rent-seeking shadows of their founders' visions since PE/VC took over.

One of the features that got me hooked on Ableton Live was how easy it was to do "analog style" audio recording of whatever you're hearing in realtime...not bounce, render, or sample to another device (it can do all of these too). For the master bus - just create an audio track, arm for recording and set input to "Resampling". Can do the same with any number of tracks/groups. This is critical to me for capturing ideas in realtime and continually reprocessing/resampling as I go.

I was astonished when I first started making digital music 20 years ago that this isn't a standard feature in every DAW. Some DAWs (REAPER, Bitwig, AudioMulch) do this as easily, others (Logic, Reason) have workarounds.

Native Instruments is bankrupt, unfortunately.

They've been purchased.

Wow, you created Ardour! Thanks!

I was a heavy and loyal Cubase user then switched to Ardour when it came out because of OSS.

Also Reason, you guys remember Reason? It had such a warm, characteristic sound out of the box. You could easily hear it in many songs of the time; same with Fruity Loops but for all the wrong reasons, lol.

I don't do a lot of music at the moment, but it's nice to read you here ^^.

>Also Reason, you guys remember Reason? It had such a warm, characteristic sound out of the box. You could easily hear it in many songs of the time; same with Fruity Loops but for all the wrong reasons, lol.

Remember? It never went away. In fact, it was recently bought by LANDR, and just brought out version 14.

FabFilter is another independent company that make some of the best plugins around.

I've used the same metaphor for AI tools. The incumbents keep adding features to the old paradigm (like Cubase did). Then someone comes along and rethinks the interaction model entirely (like Ableton with Session View). AI tools are in that transition moment right now — most are just adding AI to old workflows, not rethinking the workflow itself.

Totally unrelated, but it's still interesting that a lot of the key music software was / is created in either Berlin (Ableton, Native Instruments) or in / near Hamburg (Steinberg of Cubase — now owned by Yamaha — and Emagic of Logic — now owned by Apple). There must have been something in the air.

I never knew that, and it is _really_ interesting! My DAW of choice (Bitwig) also based in Berlin...

Bitwig was started by former Ableton people.

Partially a mix of strong, hacker culture in Germany in the 90ies + Berlin being a major place for electronic music in that decade.

For example, ableton was famousley co-created by the members of the monolake, a pioneer of minimalist techno in the 90ies. Some history there: https://www.roberthenke.com/interviews/ableton.html

Ableton yes - and Bitwig which is ex Ableton people.

But Cubase, Logic, etc weren't focused on electronic music in particular. They catered to general studio production.

Also NI, etc. was very linked to the scene from the early days.

Cubase, etc. have no such link that I know how, but there was still the strong hacker culture around atari and to a lesser degree amiga (vs PC), when PC was just not usable for anything low latency in mid 90ies.

I counter with Santa Cruz/Scotts Valley.

-Emu

-Plugin Alliance

-UAD

-Autotune

-Burl

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