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this transduces between magnetic <-> acoustic <-> electric domains, via acoustic pressure.

does this result in some acoustic side channel emissions? can an adversary track subs by correlating acoustic with EM noise if this were employed on second strike submarines?

conceptually its like a 3 port device: a magnetic port, an electric port and an acoustic port.

One would be especially interested in the scattering parameters S_mag-acou , S_acou-mag , S_elec-acou, S_acou-elec at the used frequencies, for passive detection, and for wider frequency range for active detection...

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One of the most challenging thing about submarine communications is that EM waves don't propagate through water. To communicate from the surface to a submarine, we use radio waves on the order of 100Hz, with incredibly large antennas running at very high power. Submarines cannot communicate back without sending a more conventional antenna up to the surface.

Acoustics is the entire game under water. You can only detect nearby objects with visible light or sound. A great deal of submarine design goes into minimizing the amount of sound emitted into the environment because water is astonishingly good at transmitting sound waves very long distances with little loss.

And a lot faster than on land. 5 times if I recollect correctly.

About right, but more importantly it's highly dependent on factors like pressure, temperature and salinity, all of which change in relevant ways in the ocean depths.

People imagine sonar like it's radar, where you get clean bearings and distance readings, but it's so much noisier and hard to decipher.

And yet it really does travel long distances which is both good and bad if you're a submariner.

And this has implications for hearing damage to cetaceans, yes ?

Salinity, temperature and pressure aren't normally large factors for cetaceans, no.

If you're referring to active sonar, that's an issue for anything with ears under the water. But animals themselves also can make loud noises (e.g. the sperm whale can reach 230+ dB), as can surface ships with their own active sonar kits.

AIUI the problem has been the USN making absolutely huge noises and the relevance being that the noises carry very long distances, affecting wide areas of habitat.

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