Comment by bcoates | Hacker News Reader

Comment by bcoates | Hacker News Reader

This just seems like a crazy decision from Intel's point of view. Won't it make them incredibly beholden to motherboard makers? The explanation that they're jealous of, and trying to take over, a low-markup commodity market strikes me as weird.

Right now, most computer users grab the cheapest motherboard that will work for them, and one of the places they spend extra cash is splurging on more CPU than they need. Now, motherboard makers will be able to pair the faster-stepping CPUs with 'markup' motherboards and capture a lot of that windfall to themselves, no? Doesn't this price-insensitive enthusiast market send a lot of cash Intel's way?

Maybe Intel is worried about the health of x64 white box component makers and is intentionally sending them a windfall?

Intel has methodically integrated more of the system on the CPU package. With the memory controllers, integrated gpu and pci-e controllers already on the CPU, and VRM and rest of the north bridge following in Haswell, there will be nothing of value left on the motherboard. Broadwell-era motherboards will be dumb connector boards worth $50 at most. That's why they can be sold integrated.

Oh, that's not nearly as big a deal then.

Still, it's kind of an annoyance just because the form factor of the computer is still so closely tied to the motherboard, even if the board itself is trivial. Are they going to get a ton smaller and just be CPU+RAM with cable ports for PCIe/USB busses?

You cannot really do full-speed PCIe buses on cable ports.

I expect that Intel will do what AMD and Nvidia are doing presently with GPUs, and what they used to do with their chipsets: Sell the CPUs into the various motherboard manufacturers, and let them sell the complete package to the consumer. They can implement any form factors they like.

Of course with a sufficiently punitive contract that Intel retains control of everything.

Isn't that what Thunderbolt is? PCIe lanes with displayport?

not really. you aren't plugging a video card into a thunderbolt connector.

pci-e 2.0 x32 is 16gb/s. thunderbolt is 2.5gb/s

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