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Have you looked at what sort of FPS it gets on the games you want to play? Overall it's performance is... Quite poor even on the lowest settings for lots of games

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The world is full of beautiful indie games, I barely play AAA games. But even then, I wouldn't consider it as a PRIMARY pc if you have budget for something more. It's a great secondary pc.

That's what I mean by "market", I don't think they are targeting the global segment

Yeah, 60fps in Slay the Spire 2 and Risk of Rain is very feasible with just about anything.

Well I play both and if I only had $1,000 I would stick to consoles

I mean, to everyone their own? I would have saved money in the long run with a steam machine

Yeah totally it just comes down to if you're able to play the "games you want to play". But I definitely think there will be some disappointed buyers who don't quite realize the limitations

If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash. That's people benchmarking the device in the same spirit as people who thought the Steam Deck and the Switch 1 could do 4K. Worthless.

Okay but we aren't talking about a handheld device here. You should not need to literally put it on handheld graphics settings to get decent performance.

Also this thing is literally designed for running on TVs and everybody uses their TV at 4K resolution...

>If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash

More like you can throw the console in the trash if you can't run current day games on it well, when those games mandate RT.

A lot of AAA games have started mandating RT since 2025, like Doom the dark ages for example, and the number of games doing that will only increase moving forward as devs just take the easy way with Unreal Engine, instead of optimizing for performance with baked in lighting like it's 1999. So the already mediocre performance of the console will only get worse and worse over the years in the upcoming games.

I like Valve, but there's no need to larp for Valve and run defense for them when they make mistakes, like with the steam box.

I feel bad for the people who are going to buy it and then have to run Cyberpunk at 1080p on the lowest setting to be able to maybe squeeze out 60 FPS

Maybe those people are fine playing a 30fps?

Maybe but the thing is with averages it means that sometimes you'll be getting even less than that which is pretty unbearable

Not disagreeing with you about lighting, but there is a differnce in older games that make RT optional. They use RT as a "ultra high quality" shadows/reflection graphical option. So there's no point of having a high performant, low quality RT option.

This isn't the case with games that require RT. Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers: https://youtu.be/R5G2bYiA1hk

So I think it's fine to ignore benchmarks that mention RT, meaning it's basically testing the game at "ultra quality" settings.

>Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers:

Running RT in Software doesn't mean it's free, it just draws the performance penalty from the rest of the system.

And the demo in the youtube link you shared shows this. Like sure, it's playable, but it looks like game from 2009. It looks fine for playing on a small handheld device like the steam deck, but not on a 27"-60" monitor/TV.

Sure, but it's also running on a GPU that's almost 10 years old and wasn't even high end at release. So I think it's fine performance for the hardware.

True, but that's also not 1050 $ either.

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