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Obsidian's "Outliner" plugin is really pretty good. Esp. assuming "Editing view" and "Live Preview" editing mode, (which combine for WYSIWYG).

I appreciate the standard, intuitive keyboard shortcuts for creating/removing bullets, indenting/outdenting, moving lines up or down, etc.

Also, you can use the built-in syntax for block references to kinda-sorta recreate the Roam block-based setup.

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I've found it lacking, especially with kinda buggy interaction with the vim keybindings.

Obsidian's data model, a huge selling point to some, really hinders it too. Logseq's new db format let's you treat any block as a page, metadata and all which can be super helpful.

I'll stick with my portable local-filesystem markdown over any db format (let alone with Obsidian's Coreview and Dataview plugins, and Bases, for db-like querying).

And more power to you. I find the SQLite database of plain-text to be a worthwhile tradeoff to grow past the limitations of plain markdown files.

Right on. I'm glad there are options. :)

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