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> if you are a reasonable person and integrate you will be treated as one of their own.

You won't, even if you were born and raised here - 3rd generation Turks get treated worse after 60 years than Ukranians after 4, let alone someone with an arab name, all else being equal[1]. This is natural in almost all nations for its humans in all of them, but the rampant arrogance and hypocrisy is exceptional and one does no good reinforcing it.

[1] https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/ausbildung-migrationshinter...

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My hot take about Turks struggling to integrate: The didn't try hard enough. They held on to too much of their Islamic religion and culture. It didn't mix well with the primarily Christian religion and culture of Germany. The Ukranians have much more culturally in common with Germans which is why they have integrated so much faster.

You are describing assimilation, not integration, also disproven by the fact that the name alone is the only differentiator in this example. Plenty of justifications will be found ex-facto in any case, all are excuses.

I'm not claiming any nation to be above racism, in fact globally most are worse, but this one is really high on its own supply.

They are not excuses. If you move to a foreign country but 100% keep your own culture without taking up the culture of the host country then you have not integrated and the locals are right to not want you there.

The willful ignorance is also exceptional, I daresay, second only to the average US citizen.

So much for Günter Wallraffs legacy

"3rd generation Turks" Because they are famously a case of not having assimilated to Germany but instead over-assimilated to an islamist-conservative Turkey.

"Q: Where would you live if you were a hyper-nationalist Turk? A: Germany"

3rd generation Turks are by definition not integrated, otherwise they wouldn't refer to themselves as Turks.

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