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I think every American should also read the ACLU's report (Resistance, Retaliation, Repression: Two Years in California Immigration Detention).

https://www.aclunorcal.org/publications/resistance-retaliati...

Some of the issues it highlighted:

- forced labor in order to afford to eat. The $1/day "Voluntary Work Program" is the only way to get enough food to live. And if you refuse to work or try to protest, ICE doesn't have to give an excuse to send you into solitary confinement. CoreCivic sells this labor to companies

- extensive use of solitary confinement often for "minor disciplinary infractions or as a form of retaliation for participating in hunger strikes or for submitting complaints"

- dozens of documented deaths from forced labor and medical neglect

All of these conditions have only gotten much worse.

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There was no actual punishment to the slave owners and they've ingrained their grievances about having to work into every generation since. If there's no punishment coming it will just continue the cycle of racists wanting to be lazy but reap all the rewards because of their skin color.

Same thing in Germany.

whenever i hear someone bad mouthing the germans about ww2 i wonder why living in a pity party becomes part of some peoples identity.. like they thrive on those feelings and have to reach hard to generate more of it.

Point was that German attitudes haven't changed from them until today.

It's even worse than you say. When that jig was up, slave owners (ie the upper class) moved on to new oppressive dynamics. Their grievances were ingrained into people in the lower classes, who now readily imagine themselves in the upper class position as the real upper class has moved on to other things.

I don't see the relation here, to be honest. How is immigration enforcement about racists wanting to be lazy?

The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

ICE enforcement was almost completely stopped at the very beginning of this administration in all rural farm areas.

So confusing how holding people in confinement, starving them, and selling their labor to others without compensation gets people tossing the word "slavery" around. Obviously it's the people paying wages to voluntary workers without giving the government a cut that are the real slavers!

> The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

Are you unaware that the slaveowners did not pay their slaves, at all?

Like modern-day ICE detainees forced to work...

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