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In Urdu we have a proverb it translates to English as - "Treat your teachers beating, as a garland you could receive in the future".

I agree corporal punishment is cruelty. But some minimal beating must be allowed to put things in order. My mom is a teacher, and back here in the past and to some extent now. Beating kids in school in India was the norm. She tells me many parents would come ask the teachers to not beat their kids, some would come and ask teachers to be ask strict as they can.

Its all in the ideology. But my mom says, on an average my mom says a kid who has been corrected by beating has gone to do a lot well than the ones that hasn't.

Haven't you heard of the proverb- "Spare the stick and spoil the child"

Some times you have to get strict.

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It's certainly not a very popular western attitude these days. Positive reinforcement and re-direction is used in place of discipline.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about it but it does seem to me that different kids react to different kinds of treatment. Hitting one kid may really be unnecessary and even harm them mentally. Other kids seems like absolutely nothing works on them except physical spanking. Maybe that is due to the way their parents are raising them? I'm not sure.

I remember in school a few bullies who got their ass kicked by another student and that problem was instantly solved. So it does seem like it works sometimes. But I hate to think we're just perpetuating a violent nature .

"Spare the stick and spoil the child"

That proverb is misapplied. When you look at the original Hebrew in context the stick was a guiding stick not a beating stick. A guiding stick is one used for gentle nudges to keep someone on the right path. Basically the proverb is saying: An unguided child is a spoiled child.

Today is is often interpreted: An unbeaten child is a spoiled child. However, this is not the original intent of the passage at all!

I don't have a biblical commentary on me but if you want to check I suggest the Anchor Bible series which generally provide high quality modern scholarship with extensive bibliographies.

Thanks for this. I've heard this several times and always just assumed it was a throwback. I can definitely agree with "An unguided child is a spoiled child" though.

Interesting interpretation.

Apropo:

תהילים פרק כג' פסוק 4 גַּם כִּי-אֵלֵךְ בְּגֵיא צַלְמָוֶת לֹא-אִירָא רָע כִּי-אַתָּה עִמָּדִי שִׁבְטְךָ וּמִשְׁעַנְתֶּךָ הֵמָּה יְנַחֲמֻנִי

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me; {N} Thy rod and Thy staff, they comfort me.

I beg to differ. I think this is an interpretation adapted to meet the requirements of modern times . Because the commonly held interpretation of the proverb, is very simply, what it means, that you got to discipline the child, by spanking[1].

IMHO, this(revised definition) is a catchup which the clergy (of various religions) play every now and then. Sometimes to meet the new discovery in science, or other times to meet the current human right guidelines.

[1] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spare_the_rod_and_spoil_the_ch...

It is fine to have a different interpretation but I suggest before forming an opinion to look at modern scholarship on the matter. Biblical scholarship is fractal; the deeper you go the deeper there is to go.

Finally, KJV is simply not a very accurate interpretation of the texts it draws from. Nor does it take into account more ancient texts which are now available to interpreters and translators. Moreover, translation (while interpretation) does not provide context which is why I pointed you to a reliable commentary series which will provide up to date scholarship on the matter.

I am not saying my interpretation is right but I am saying you will need to do a bit better than just referencing a wiktionary article on the etymology.

Yeah, where is Michael's dad in all of this? I would have had the living hell beaten out of me if I had ever called my mom a bitch.

where is Michael's dad in all of this?

Busy trying not to pay child support and fighting her in court for custody of the children.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/07/news-from-war...

As I have never raised children, I can't speak from experience. But I feel like the same thing occurs in nature. Occasionally the parent needs to establish dominance.

I am not advocating beating your kids, but if they are hell bent on testing the limits I think you have to show them that there is definitely a line that can not be crossed.

This is exactly how I (father of two) have used corporal punishment. It's largely there simply so I have "something worse" in store if you don't take your time-out. I think I've had to use it once every three years. Kids are awesome game players, if they know there is a limit on sanctions they'll play right to that limit.

But it is only a tool. You have to be consistent, and you have to be clear, and you have to be generally supportive. You can't expect of them things they can't do. All of that is probably more important than corporal punishment.

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