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I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene team requires full hardware compliance with their requirements, and the Signature apparently is not compliant yet.

Anyway I ended up buying a really good smartphone.. just not a graphene supported haha :(

Also this is really great collab from moto & graphene as more vendors will officially recognize Graphene as legit OS (legel/OEM is different concept). I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

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They didn't "ban" them, but they did enable some attestation feature that effectively "bans" anything that isn't Google Android.

Which still makes you wonder why Volkswagen is so keen on alienating what little is left of their customer base with completely stupid security theater.

Because the EU is run by lawyers and lawsuits. They probably decided there was a risk of being sued for insufficient security if they didn't enable every security feature, and they considered it as zero impact to customers because nobody uses graphene.

Yes, but that is still very confusing to me, because you're not paying other people money so that they just follow incentives without thinking, vision or backbone.

The whole idea of buying something is giving people money for their (assumed correct) judgement, which then leads to desired artifacts downstream.

No, the idea of buying is that you get something in exchange for money.

Yes, but not any something, but a specific something shaped by taste.

Just a specific something. Taste has little to do with it.

The people at VW don't think about the customer. They are essentially bureaucrats who only live to expand their personal fiefdom in the bureaucracy. I bet that many in the IT-security team would insist that their team doesn't have customers.

It's fair to say they banned GrapheneOS but they didn't only ban GrapheneOS. It's very rare for apps to specifically ban GrapheneOS but Revolut uses an SDK which tried to do it. We worked around it and Revolut works on GrapheneOS since January 2025 but not for lack of trying to ban it by an SDK they use and it sometimes blocks our users.

> I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

Why would anyone want a car app? Is being tracked by the car's telematics unit (cellular modem) not enough?

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