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I do not find it funny tbh.

I'm very very surprised that Xiaomi matches Apples speed even with the newest release, its not diminishing Xiaomis success.

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It's interesting to see how defensive some of these pro-China posters get on HN and elsewhere. I'm genuinely curious why there seems to be an inferiority complex here with respect to America/American companies.

I find pro apple comments funnier; but you know, everyones got their own rose colored glasses.

I wish I could understand how they created a cult like following despite having mid tier products.

They somehow convinced people low power consumption on CPU mattered.

>They somehow convinced people low power consumption on CPU mattered.

As an ARM processor enthusiast since the 90's, it's all I care about.

I'm not convinced it will ever stop being important.

Battery life in mobile products doesn't matter now?

Yeah I'm sure you use 6 hours of battery life before you find a charger and aren't a loyalist to a corporation.

I think for a while it was because they had a superior user experience that would compound with the more Apple products you acquired.

That, combined with sleek marketing and a good eye for product design, and building what was the best smartphone by far (IMO) in the world at the time it was first released, snowballed into Apple becoming the behomoth it is today.

I remember in 2018 they didn't have widgets, had like 3 different apps that had bugs, the swiping was slow after disabling animations, and everyday I was told I had to update.

Great quality.

And in 2018 the Pixel 2 was the Android flagship with 3 years of updates promised, with a Snapdragon 835 that was half the single thread speed of the corresponding A11 and slower in multicore with two extra cores.

Remember (not that long ago) when Apple was years ahead of ARM on performance, had vastly better support windows for their hardware and vastly better UI and UX? It is just that today Android has mostly caught up if not surpassed on a phone basis, but e.g. we still see a better ecosystem of iPhone + Watch with Apple, as well as between users.

China follows foot-in-the-door tactic per the Art of War. (done in HK, Korea, Singapore, and Malaysia)

This in-turn later on, AIs will train to make pro-China comments as AIs train on these.

They got the sheer man-power, and with AIs it's even easier.

I had to read it a few times to parse what you meant but now that I have, this actually makes a lot of sense.

I'm not a pro-china poster, i'm from germany and didn't find this 'funny'.

Apple is the second richest company on the world (which doesn't need help/protection?!) and they have experts in chip design.

Xiamoi is some random chinese company not known for high end chips and was able to catch up impressivly in a short period of time.

This fact doesn't get funny or wahtever just because apple brought out a new chip today.

I'm not a fanboy for any of it and do not care.

Are they well known in China? I'm seeing that Chinese tech has decoupled from the West. They have all this cool stuff that we do not hear about because they aren't selling it to us because they don't need to. It's usually been stuff with better price to performance or ultra low prices though, rather than ultimate performance stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a top end chip that everyone in China knew about, and we didn't.

> Xiamoi is some random chinese company

That might be the funniest thing I read all day. Xiaomi is a massive company that makes all sorts of things, including a lot of pretty high-end mobiles, and has an annual revenue in the order of 75 billion US.

It’s no Apple, but it’s not exactly “some random Chinese company” either.

> Xiamoi is some random chinese company not known for high end chips and was able to catch up impressivly in a short period of time

Xiamoi is a huge company and is a commonly known brand. They’ve been making chips for a long time. They didn’t start a few months ago and catch up with Apple on their first try.

Yeah I know but that wasn't what I was hinting at.

I mean you expect some company which did some android rom, a smartphone, IoT Robots stuff a car?! and now makes a chip which can compete with apple.

> catch up impressivly in a short period of time.

They're using ARM designed cores. So it's more like Apple just isn't as far ahead of ARM as some people claim.

Intereresting point I will try to see if i can find more about it. I would assume apple has a lot more magic sause than just TSMCs best node and a little bit of ARM architecture addons.

> apple has a lot more magic sause

Why would you assume that? ARM has been a chip design firm for 35 years...

And exactly how far ahead has Apple been since 2010 or so? That’s why you would assume that. ARM designs have different constraints than Apple’s designs.

> random chinese company

Oh i have soooo many news for you!

I think it's great but it's important to remember that we haven't seen Xiaomi's chips in actual devices under real world tests. We don't know if the speeds are sustainable, under what wattage, etc. Competition is still great and I look forward to learning more, of course.

I find it funny not because I support Apple. I find it funny because it feels like the leapfrogging happened in early superscalar CPU evolution. The era when the Moore's Law was working.

I enjoy it because of progress, not because of Apple.

They didn't. It's an off the shelf chip, the threads on that post dismantled it pretty thoroughly as a false claim.

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