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> We should be tracking and identifying all covert influence campaigns, from all states - not just Russia - and collecting a registry of these efforts for wide public distribution.

Close to nothing happened after Snowden leaks. The republican party has been able to convince pretty much everybody that the Mueller report was a hoax, a report that very explicitly found collusion between Russia and US operatives close to Trump, so bad that his own guys went to prison. The 2nd trump admin destroyed the cyber monitoring apparatus and might have let Russian hackers access citizens data.

I don’t think there is anything to be expected from the US at this point.

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I'm in the camp that the US government is the biggest threat to world peace there is, so the anti-Russia agitprop is not really my thing. Sure, all imperialist war criminals should be prosecuted .. but there's a long, long list of those to prosecute on our side, which is committing far greater atrocities, and yet nobody is doing anything effective about it. Our liberal democracies are failing at reigning in our imperialist war criminals.

If there is hope, it is that Europes' youth will continue their current awakening and start holding their governments accountable for the support of genocide and war that their parents have been propagating for decades.

Yeah, there's not much hope. But the rest of the world long since turned away from any hope that the US would lead the way for justice. What we have now is war criminals calling for more war against other war criminals. The "War is Peace" crowd have the mic.

> If there is hope, it is that Europes' youth will continue their current awakening and start holding their governments accountable for the support of genocide and war that their parents have been propagating for decades.

Unfortunately Europe is an aging continent, our youths don’t seem to be that engaged politically speaking, and we seem to be unable to do the necessary changes, or even just stand up to Trump or Putin (other than Ukraine of course). The European way of doing politics is way too weak and dull to bring meaningful changes. I hope that will change with new generations getting elected but so far it seems to be mostly benefiting the status quo and extremist right parties (who don’t have any solutions to offer, other than deporting brown people)

True, I have a limited sample set (Vienna, Austria), but I have noticed a distinct disaffection with the status quo rising in my kids (teenagers) generation, and that gives me a little hope to be honest.

It helps that my kids were raised to treat culture as utterly arbitrary - and that they have gone to schools with Russian, Ukrainian, Iranian, American and British colleagues, too.

The melting pot is extremely useful in decomposing totalitarian-authoritarianism. The kids are sick of our shit.

Happy to take any hope you have at that point, thanks for sharing :)

Yes, it has been daunting to navigate the world recently .. my teenage kids coming of age is the one ray of hope on the horizon.

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