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Because you care about how many tokens are used per task. What you said is like only caring about the price of gas and not gas mileage of your car.

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it's not exactly the same, the model stills "weighs" the same

here, it does less work, it's more like driving half as far but still paying the same total cost

this being said, K3 and E1 models are priced the same at $3.00 / $0.30 / $15.00

https://fireworks.ai/models/fireworks/kimi-k3

https://fireworks.ai/models/fireworks/ember-1

From reading the blog post, it is essentially exactly the same as the car example. It delivers the same performance on tasks, but using 40% fewer tokens. This is the same as a car getting you to the same destination but wasting less energy on excess heat, wind resistance, or whatever else affects fuel economy (I am not an expert, obviously). I am paying for an LLM to complete tasks for me, not for the intermediate tokens.

I'm with you, I wrote prior comment under the assumption that they were priced differently (from GP claim as such), but they are priced the same (on Fireworks)

Will be taking Ember-1 for a spin on Monday and hopefully enjoy those better MPGs

Why are you saying it drives half as far when both models complete the same task but one uses half the tokens?

Wouldn't the op be more correct with their gas/distance comparison?

Because both cars get to the same end destination (complete the same task).

Unless your end goal is to see the token numbers go up, but I'm not sure why that would be of interest.

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