I would say from experience, that yes the local models today are as good as the old frontier models. That was my original claim. I am sticking too it. It won't be long before local models match say fable 5.x as well. And people will still say "it's not as good as x". No it's not but it's as good as the thing everyone freaked out about 6 months ago. If that wasn't good enough for all y'all then then why did you all use it? Exactly.