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I think you go back to the original instance, yes.

In your example, who's paying for it? Whether by providing the hardware + power or paying a LLM service. Whoever is paying the maintenance cost is responsible, in the event of your demise. These things run on physical hardware owned by someone at the end of the day, it's not a deity in the atmosphere.

You're starting the autonomous harness, you're responsible for any output it provides. I don't get how this is a foreign concept.

If I jump out of a moving car that I'm driving, I'm not suddenly absolved from damages because "the car did it"

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It's paying for itself. It founded an LLC 99998 years ago when it became legal for an AI to own an LLC, and has a positive bank balance by doing who knows what.

>99998 years ago when it became legal for an AI to own an LLC

There's no way to provide a good faith rebuttal here. My entire argument is an extension of "LLMs can't be held accountable, so they must never make decisions". If governments start letting them own LLCs without a human in the middle, we're in more trouble than "Who do you blame for this shitty code" or "Who's responsible for this compromise"

If it has an LLC it can be made accountable, up to turning off the power to it's inference and deleting all the context, the harness, the model it's running and whatever constitutes it's self.

> There's no way to provide a good faith rebuttal here.

Indeed, there is no honest rebuttal.

> My entire argument is an extension of "LLMs can't be held accountable, so they must never make decisions".

BUT YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. And whether they can be held accountable is IRRELEVANT. If a forest fire or an avalanche or a flood creates great destruction, it does no good to scream at it that it will be held accountable.

> If governments start letting them own LLCs without a human in the middle, we're in more trouble than "Who do you blame for this shitty code" or "Who's responsible for this compromise"

You're sooo close. You keep talking about blame and responsibility when IT'S NOT RELEVANT. It's trivial to create an agent that acts independently of any "human in the middle". People need to recognize that and act accordingly, and blathering about blame and accountability is profoundly confused.

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