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I really hope they don't merge chat and work. That's kinda the only edge they have over Anthropic at this time point...

I am curious: Why is it bad to merge chat and work? In Claude I didn't have a porblem with it (although I switched to an OpenAI subscription shortly after they made the merge). Isn't the model capable of deciding if it needs the extra capabilities of Work?

The current benefit is that chat has no quota.

There is a quota, they just don’t tell you what it is and when it resets. You only get “you’re all out of pro messages, try again later”

Pro has a specific limit of weekly messages (50 for the $100 and 100 for $200 I believe)

The rest is basically unlimited unless you're doing something very weird.

Meanwhile I cant ask a simple question to Claude, not even to Haiku, because I used my claude code 5h limit.

Pro messages is like 50 per week for pro 100 and 200 for pro 200.

Regular chat, even on extra high thinking mode, is sort of unlimited. Idk at what point you hit the abuse gaurdrail but its really high whatever it is.

So is it 50 per week or unlimited, because it makes no sense unless chat messages are somehow not "messages"?

For a company with Open in the name, OpenAI is very opaque about things, there are all kinds of limits and quotas that randomly come and go, but they only show you the meters for a couple.

E.g. codex reviews come from codex quota but also has its separate quota they don’t tell you about. Same with security reviews which has another quota still.

So the chat messages can be sent at several effort levels and from various models including 5.6 and 6 pro. The 6 pro messages are limited and they don’t tell you how many you’ve sent or how many are left. But the 5.6 messages seem to be unlimited, however there could just be a much higher unstated quota.

Which is probably why they will merge it. You can get a lot done in chat mode, especially if you connect custom MCPs to it. I can't see that continuing.

Tibo posted yesterday I think it was that this will happen (by the end of the year, was it?)

Prepare to lose essentially unlimited chat mode.

I imagine many will move to claude, as I will (return), unless anthropic makes more blunders.

Random link I found looking for the twitter post

https://pasqualepillitteri.it/en/news/21024/openai-merge-cha...

It's insane how hard OAI is choking, they had much better models than A/ who were fumbling this year to date... then blunder after blunder.

The only things that OAI still have over A/ are better coding agent GUI, no 5hr limit on >$100, much more reasonable cybersec guardrails (that allow most RE work) and... that's it.

From my point of view, as software engineer who is extensively used Claude Code and ChatGPT from the beginning, OpenAI is nailing it!

A\.

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