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The problem is that in the future, LLMs will change society so much that we won't even want to go after these things any more because the world will live and die on cheap prototypes and trends.

It's like all the food being replaced by MacDonalds food that is served from a replicator (from Star Trek). Sure, we can survive on it, sort of, but if all we ever know is this food and we're too busy to cook (or no one knows how to manufacture a stove) then we'll never know anything else. Maybe someone will learn how to tweak the recipe a little but our minds will be conditioned to context-switch so much that we'll never even think of learning to cook great meals.

That's what LLMs do. They're shit.

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I can't speak for everyone, but the software I've built via agentic coding still takes a long time to build, refine and iron out all the bugs. I still puzzle out how to solve issues that the agents can't deal with. I still find it challenging and enjoyable.

There seems to be this pervasive false dichotomy about software currently: that it's either lovingly hand-tooled and crafted and perfect; or that it's a vibe-coded one-shot sloppy-slop-slop-fest of spaghetti code.

There is a middle ground, where rigorous software project management and careful architectural guidance and oversight continues, but agentic coding takes away much of the coding drudgery. It takes time, and it's not even remotely one-shot, but it's still way faster than coding everything by hand. From what I can tell, this quiet approach is where most agentic coding effort is going currently -- it's not flashy, it's not sloppy, and mostly you won't even notice.

We've already gone through that many times with COBOL, Excel, Visual Basic, PHP, Javascript, etc.

Whenever a new technology makes what used to be hard easy, all the non-experts pile in and produce shit for awhile, until they're finally forced to admit that software engineering is hard (or die trying).

The same will happen with LLMs in a couple of years.

Definitely true....but what has also happened is there is also a proliferation of shit code that people actually use and experience. It's not as if people eventually admit that software engineering is hard and then actually make something good. We just get more shit. Like how every second site nowadays has that nasty fade-in scrolling effect, that the cursor is overridden, etc. Or Wordpress plugins...

In my opinion, not a good direction. Maybe just good for the stockholders and investors and someone wanting to make a quick buck.

Star Trek isn't the best example, because many characters on the show like to whine about replicator food having bland taste, and treating cooking as important skill to have (though I'd argue it's for social reason).

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