Hacker News Reader

Comment by verdverm | Hacker News Reader

not much in there beyond the headline but quotes from the admin

The AP blurb[0] has different quotes and includes an accusation of fraud that's missing from the Bloomberg article.

> Vance said Thursday, “If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants.” Vance spoke in a White House news conference announcing the decision.

[0] https://apnews.com/live/trump-midterm-elections-news-updates...

Did he do the math? Or are they still eating cats and dogs?

Is that 2 or 10 nom's of furry friends, the numbers look the same to my binary eyes, math is hard with an ai buddy?

This admin has demonstrated many times they will misuse Ai and blindly trust whatever it spits out. Would not be surprised in the slightest if that was the case here.

It's "funny" that organizations like the AP, NYT, etc, still quote Vance after that. He never really had credibility beforehand but any he may have had was lost, surely.

Narrator: He did not do the math.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-aclu-afl-cio-report-...

The Ministry of Truth has deemed you are not doing the right kind of math. /s

gotta love our post-truth world...

>The report finds that a broad path to citizenship would stabilize jobs and prices across the construction, hospitality, and care industries that families depend on while raising wages for all American workers.

The article posted is about suspending a Tech company's use of h1-b. The report makes no mention of the Tech sector and all the purported gains are in low-income high-physical labor industries like construction and hospitality. The whole wage and cost of living stabilization they're saying is due to immigrant labor is due to the fact you can exploit them for lower wages.

It further argues that Citizenship, not temp work visas, is the correct path. All while calling out that Tech companies, like Microsoft, are the primary beneficiaries of the current system.

In that light, I don't think linking this report arguing what you think it does.

You're at best naive if you don't see the big picture of sum of the immigration policies of this administration.

Accepting Vance's premise, is he saying that the solution to replacing American workers with indentured servants is... removing the path out of indentured servitude? It sounds like they're not touching H1-B itself, just the path from H1-B to residency.

Correct.

They've been limited in what changes to H1-b they can make without legislative support, so they will take any other option to make H1-b less desirable and harder.

If you remove the path from H1-B to residency, you reduce the incentive for a lot of people to go through the H1-B hell to begin with.

Speaking personally, my Dad put me in a university in Canada instead of USA since the path to permanent immigration was so much smoother.

Thanks! Unfortunately archive.ph requires passing an impassible computational paywall for some browsers/ips/etc. Since the article is so short it seem fine to just quote it in full here,

"The Trump administration said Thursday that it would suspend an immigration program for multiple tech firms, including Microsoft Corp., alleging widespread abuse of a worker visa system. “There has been no company in the United States, unfortunately, that has abused this system more than Microsoft,” Vice President JD Vance said, during a briefing in Washington. Labor Secretary Keith Sonderling said other companies that would be suspended from the Permanent Labor Certification Program included Cognizant Technology Solutions Corp., Infosys Ltd., Tata, Wipro Ltd., HCL Technologies Ltd., and Capgemini SE. He said there were multiple active federal investigations ongoing into the matter. The move is the latest by the Trump administration to crack down on legal and illegal pathways to migration. The program at issue allows US employers to help sponsor foreign workers for permanent residency. “Microsoft is a great American company, and we have a great relationship with them, they do a lot of important things,” Vance said Thursday. “Our message to Microsoft is not that we want to harm your company. It’s that we want your company to thrive, but we want it to thrive by employing and empowering your fellow Americans.” Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

This is about these companies having the ability to sponsor employees for green cards. They can still employ people on visas. It's more accurate to say the government wants to prevent these workers from eventually becoming American.

As in: come here, work, pay taxes, contribute to the society but then fuck off.

Most developed countries are at least this hostile to immigrants. And if they aren't, it's because they aren't desirable places in the first place.

Yeah was about to post this, this reads that it's the PERM program so just about the path to getting a Greencard, different from H1B1s, etc.

What is a "computational paywall"?

Some proof of work type thing to prevent bots by changing the economics, presumably. It's that "checking you are a human" thing without forcing you to click images

https://anubis.techaro.lol or one of its brethren

Reply on news.ycombinator.com