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Comment by damowangcy | Hacker News Reader

Marketing.

Have you guys see how aggressive is the push for enterprise use by both OpenAI and Anthropic? I had friend from a non-tech industry in Asia telling me that their company was offered free trial of the enterprise version of Claude, with trainings and such.

On the other hand, DS and Z.ai, have zero to none marketing outside China. There is friction to use DS/GlM models and the ZDR is unclear, so most enterprise that has heavy AI usage hasn't move over yet. They would rather spent $200 for the peace of mind than to take the risk of being slam as a national traitor down the road (which again is another form of marketing by Big AI, trying to frame Chinese models as thiefs).

So, I don't think they are not freaking out, it's just that they are addressing different market segments and reacting to the situation differently.

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Aggressive marketing (including daily posts on HN). Many people simply don't know about alternatives, there are many people who never heard about pi and opencode and live comfortably in claude-codex bubbles.

I find it curious that almost every AI post has way more comments than other posts, and I sometimes wonder how big of a part agents play here. I can't seem to distinguish whether it's just real interest in the subject or a big campaign trying to influence people's opinion

It's on top of mind for everyone in the software development industry (be it SWEs, product people, designers, managers...), as it's such a "cross-cutting" concern, I am not surprised it's always on the HN front page.

Sure, some Rust 1.98.7-beta release is interesting to some, but AI affects most of us, one way or another.

I (and many other people I personally know, so they are not botfarms) feel many different strong emotions regarding AI on a daily basis: anxious, frustrated, tired, bored, suprised, entertained, empowered, optimistic, pessimistic, usually all of it almost every single day.

It could be.

Obligatory PSA that OpenCode does not respect prompt caching, OpenCode will cost much more whenever there is a price difference between cached and uncached input tokens. It mutates the system prompt (at the very beginning of the transcript) every single request with (among other things) the current date and the current working directory (which changes if the agent ever runs `cd`) and will repeatedly invalidate the entire cache.

Marketing is irrelevant.

Companies will keep using Google/Microsoft/Amazon cloud offerings due to the ease of extending existing contracts and procurements.

Virtually all my clients use Bedrock or Azure with zero data retention. Not one would use openai/anthropic or chinese cloud offerings.

Only devs do so.

Could you not argue that local hosting of open-weight model with ZDR, and possibly even fine-tuned on your company's proprietary data is even more secure, compliant, and cheap than just letting OpenAI/Anthropic train their models on your responses? Obviously C-Suite often never sees this far into the future, but I'd argue that there's virtually zero downside to this approach.

The hardware prices to support this proposal would make by Business Head's eyes pop haha

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