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AI Data Centers Not Paying Their Costs, Will Keep Using NDAs and Seek Tax Breaks

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I usually do not agree with her but I do here. There is a lot of nervousness where I live that the power rates will rise to support the build out in infra for data centers.

After working in tech I know they really are only in it to maximize profit at any expense necessary, and I personally do not trust them.

If you want buid out data centers fine, but build brand new infrastructure and supply your own water and waste management to not harm the existing community.

These companies are making billions and should be able to do this.

You don't seem to understand how CRAPitalism works. Profits are privatized, losses and expenses are dumped onto the the community whenever possible to increase profits further

What’s interesting here is that it’s easy to see who is a corporate shill lobbyist and who is looking out for the concerns of the public.

Case in point— war. It’s a racket.

Some obvious wordsmithing here intended to confuse. These are very weak arguments and I do not understand why it is a material concern to a Congressman other than an interest to interfere in US commerce on behalf of foreign entities. Why is Warren so concerned with a non-federal utility co's market rate agreements, or tax breaks granted by local governments? Its not at all her jurisdiction.

1- Fair Share payments- its a net benefit to all ratepayers if the system is upgraded thanks to expanded revenue from datacenters. Utility operators not correctly charging for services provided is a separate matter. Its reasonable to assume that Warren is getting into nitpicking on "wait who paid for THAT transformer??" Its very possible that some of these utilities are making mistakes, but they have their own board of directors and local oversight to address that matter.

2- NDAs- this was a big talking point in Memphis recently "I want to see the NDAs!!" but we have a utility co MLGW that is pretty effective and has to look out for its own long term interests. Warren has no business demanding to regulate that sort of deal making, unless of course the utility leadership is engage in corruption. Otherwise, its just business as usual that any other business engages in in the United State.

3- Tax Breaks- datacenters have such high price F&E tax related price tags that the laws weren't really written to consider a facility with $100B of value installed. A tax break is reasonable, and it is only "lots govt revenue stolen from schools" or whatever if the government is writing a check back out to the datacenter operation, which they generally are not to my knowledge. A tax that didn't exist yesterday and gets negotiated down for tomorrow is not "lost tax revenue" but an acknowledgment that the tax code, as written, is overly punitive to commerce, which I believe is Warren's goal, on behalf of foreign actors, to throttle US enterprise and dominance in intelligence.

> Some obvious wordsmithing here intended to confuse. These are very weak arguments and I do not understand why it is a material concern to a Congressman

Interested to hear more!

> other than an interest to interfere in US commerce on behalf of foreign entities.

No longer interested!

The article does beat around the bush and the headline is clickbait. I assumed from the title that these datacenters were not paying their bills, but instead it's about the extent to which the operators should pay for public infrastructure built due to the datacenter being built. That's an interesting question, but I don't like the goalpost begin moved from "not paying their full costs" to "not paying what I define as a 'fair share'."

My points are well founded, and Memphis is in the midst of a very hotly contested datacenter debate thanks to Elon. The efforts to throttle datacenter development at a grass roots level nationwide are not a simple sincere effort from people passionate against computers. Foreign governments competing with US are absolutely desperate to thwart US progress in AI, and there is clearly large amounts of money flowing into these protests from _somewhere_.

You lasted longer than me, I bailed when they called a senator a congressman--partisan diatribe detected, no value to be had.

honest Q- should I have said congressperson or senator? what was the rub there?

Senator.

> I believe is Warren's goal, on behalf of foreign actors, to throttle US enterprise and dominance in intelligence.

Which foreign actors do you believe are setting Warren's alleged goal? Sounds like hearsay without a money trail backing it up, given Warren's record of supporting education funding and opportunities for her constituents.

Yeah the statement you quoted goes too far. My impression is that Warren and people aligned with her are reflexively anti-business and by extension anti-AI but I don't buy that she's on the payroll of any foreign adversary.

I didn't say she was personally taking bribes, but I am saying she is a useful idiot on their behalf.

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