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It's not quite that simple. I don't use GOS because GOS and I have mutually incompatible views of user control. I prefer that I control my phone, they say I can't be trusted with that.

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That's an inaccurate portrayal of our approach and especially how it compares to LineageOS. LineageOS does not provide app or user accessible root accessible either. As a counterexample to your narrative, GrapheneOS provides full manual and automatic call recording functionality internationally while LineageOS restricts it based on region.

Indeed, LineageOS doesn't officially support rooting *at all* anymore. They also ban Magisk from their communities IIRC.

It's really not; you've argued extensively with me that the moment a user can run an app with root the whole system is insecure. LOS sadly doesn't ship anything but `adb root` by default (although... they do that, so yes they do ship "user accessible root"), but they're still less hostile about it.

Anyways, since you're here perhaps you can answer my question from the other subthread: If I flash GOS and then flash Magisk on it, how hard is it to stay unbricked? Is it as easy as declining to relock the bootloader once, or is the system going to actively fight me on every boot?

In which ways does GOS not let you control your device? I'm curious because to me intalling GOS felt very liberating (compared to stock)

I'm mostly talking about their stance on root. Certainly I agree GOS is vastly better than stock.

LineageOS doesn't have a different stance on those modifications.

You can root Graphene. It's not something the developers condone as it breaks their view of security, but it can be done.

I suppose it depends how hard it tries to relock the bootloader; if I can tell it once to not do that then perhaps it's fine, but I don't want to risk a misclick soft bricking the device.

Although as an extension of that - I'm hesitant to use software written by people with such a philosophical difference. It might work today, but I wouldn't trust it to work tomorrow.

Same thing can be said for LineageOS too.

Yes, LineageOS doesn't have a different stance on those modifications.

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