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> So, where are the super-polished Linux systems for the Fairphone?

It still has tiny market reach. Very few people are going to invest the time needed to build a quality user experience for like 1000 users.

Just imagine what would happen if Linux could be installed on the iPhone. There would be SteamOS distributions within an hour of the announcement.

> It’s funny that you mention Waydroid. It throws most of Android’s strong security model out of the window.

Haha yea, it's more an example of capabilities that could be rolled into highly polished user experiences. Again, if Linux could be installed on the iPhone - I'm certain Waydroid maintainers would shut the project down from PRs.

~~* competition *~~

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> It still has tiny market reach. Very few people are going to invest the time needed to build a quality user experience for like 1000 users.

That doesn't make sense. Whenever someone wants to build something, they start with 0 users. They don't say "huh, I have 0 users, I'm not going to build a good product".

People who build things recognize that they won't get more users if they don't make their product better. If you have 1,000 users and you want 1,000,000 users, you work more, not less.

Potential addressable market matters a lot

It still has tiny market reach.

You are moving the goalposts, you said:

The lack of polish is a function of the inability to use the hardware. The hardware is tightly gatekept so competition _cannot_ exist. [...] Once we can actually target the hardware, open source alternatives will be much better than first party options.

So, it's not the hardware gatekeeping that is the issue, it's that nobody is polishing the experience for hardware that already exists and qualifies. The hardware can also be purchased very easily in some regions (e.g. Europe). I can literally hop on a bike right now and pick up a Fairphone in ten minutes. I know that it's different in e.g. the US, but Murena has been selling them in the US for years now.

I think you may be glossing over a bit how annoying / messy / complicated it can be to work with the binary blobs and their quirks, especially when dealing with complex things like camera(s) and the image processing stack. Doubly so for community developers who may have limited or no access to documentation and resources that the device manufacturers get from the more low-level hardware vendors.

If Fairphone wanted, I'm relatively sure that they could form a cooperation with Jolla, Librem, KDE or other entities in the space and get Plasma Mobile, Sailfish or whatever working on their phones and/or design the next-gen Fairphone with hardware that has as few quirks as possible and is as "easy" to get to work with Linux as possible. I'm also relatively sure that so far, that would not have made economic sense for them. However, there seems to be a bit of a surge in people wanting alternatives. The recent Jolla phone has way more orders and pre-orders than were anticipated, for example. And SailfishOS is certainly "polished" enough that the circle of people who can use it well (or at least live with it) has expanded beyond the developer / hacker / activist crowd.

> dealing with complex things like camera(s) and the image processing stack

It would be wonderful if we could create an abstraction layer on top, so all the trillions of phones already existing that simply can't open source their drivers due to licensing and whatnot could be usable.

We could call it HAL for hardware abstraction layer. https://source.android.com/docs/core/architecture/hal

Or we could call it libcamera, https://puri.sm/posts/cameras-its-complicated/

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