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OP isn't just making a straw man argument, they're making the entire straw family.

> Those defending the poor performance of vibe coded apps have parroted the famous lines AI guys used in the past - “It is only days old” and “this is the worst it gets”. They make the mistake of equating human app development time with generative AI development time (hundreds of times faster). A vibe coded app is, in human hours, not only a few days old but closer to two or three years old. If a brush engine or transform tool works badly after the human equivalent of three years of development that is a demonstration of bad planning or an AI model not doing a good job.

I legitimately cannot parse the logic behind this argument.

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It’s really badly put but I thiiiink they’re trying to say that due to the pace you can work with AI, you can have something technically complex but badly engineered quickly. Like three years of bad engineering in an afternoon? Or something? It’s still bad as even three months of bad engineering would normally contain far more foresight than a vibe coded weekend nonsense project

I see it like this: because greenfield coding is strong with AI, but improving/large rewriting an existing codebase is getting progressively harder and worse, if you don't get the architecture right in the first try, improve them in later rounds will be very hard,if not futile. Thus the poor performance is not a typical day 1 problem as with human coding, but a pestilence.

That has not been my experience. Agents love to refactor. They also love to ridiculously overengineer it and run the new version as shadow in the background for several months before adoption.

Poor performance? Photoshop takes like 30 seconds to cold start and when I tried Photocraft it opened in like a second.

The article is strangely supportive of Adobe, far beyond a normal person's sense of ridicule.

Software development is about revenue, but specifically Adobe's revenue:

  >  Automated or semi-automated cloning to steal revenue away from developers

Pay us, don't innovate:

  >  They’re spending minimum $2K to vibe code a Photoshop competitor when Affinity Photo is free and Photoshop costs $200 a year. Not very smart economics.

  >  Commercial apps innovate and lead. Open source apps like Blender follow the lead. Innovation costs a lot of money.

  >  Instead of hurling hate speech and bile at thousands of software engineers who lead innovation at large companies (Adobe, Autodesk, Maxxon, Celsys, and others), show them some gratitude for their efforts. They are the engineers who innovate and everyone else follows. Just because they work at a big company doesn't mean they are committing human rights abuses. We have a generation brainwashed by envy and hate instead of urging everyone to be greater and bigger.

Why do people hate Adobe more than other companies? What's the difference? Only sensitive insiders would pretend to ignore decades of enshittification.

  > Clip Paint Studio, Maya, 3ds Max and Cinema 4D, btw, are all subscription applications. But because those apps aren’t in demand by pirates Autodesk has not experienced the hate and bullying campaigns that Adobe has received.

People noticed the "underage children", but defending Adobe customer support is even more ridiculous:

  > And when it comes to customer support things become even sadder looking. One or two guys in a Discord chatroom cannot support a global user base, especially when those two guys are hunting for underage children to speak to on Discord (yes, I have seen what vibe coders do).

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