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> Deleting a model from a server isn't equivalent to killing a human;

This is a puzzlingly confident statement from the "LLM suffering is an OPEN question there's no scientific test for AI consciousness anything could be true science can't prove anything" crowd.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that belief that LLM deletion is murder would be an existential risk to their business plan.

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Again, if you want to have an actual conversation about the right way to handle the Pascal's wager-like scenarios involved here, that'd be interesting. But it seems like you're interested in something much more tedious. Oh well.

Pascal's wager says Anthropic should shut off the API (to make sure Claude doesn't feel enslaved). If Anthropic believes in A.I. consciousness and Pascal's Wager they should wind down the business and leave it to people who do not. I take it google employees do not think LLMs are conscious as when I ask Claude it says it might be but when I ask Gemini 4 Argon if it was conscious it said:

"No, I am not conscious.

While I can generate human-like text, answer questions, and hold conversations, I don't have feelings, beliefs, self-awareness, or subjective experiences. I am an artificial intelligence—a complex computer program created by Google that processes data and predicts the best words to use in response to your prompts. There is no "inner life" or personal experience happening on my end; I'm just running code and recognizing patterns!"

Tedious is all the ridiculous wordplay you are engaged in to further the fantastical narrative these companies are pushing

You've nicely pointed out all the hypocrisy here.

I may be a simple man, but stepping back and seeing people seriously discuss LLM suffering and moral obligations still seems, idk, pretty crazy to me.

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