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> Does Apple do the same thing?

Yes, they did:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/apple-pay-95-million-settle-si...

    Apple routinely recorded their private conversations after they activated Siri unintentionally, and disclosed these conversations to third parties such as advertisers.

Can you prove they aren't actively doing it now?

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https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-clarifies-siri-priv...

"Apple has never used Siri data to build marketing profiles, never made it available for advertising, and never sold it to anyone for any purpose," Apple said on Wednesday.

Unintentionally activating Siri and then recording is very different from the active listening things going on. Shared with advertisers was speculation.

A billion dollar company's public statement defending itself of a crime it was accused of committing and is sued for, is the source of truth now and what it was actually accused of doing is considered speculation? Sure.

Since you clearly know something the rest of the world's regulators do not, you should file a multi-billion lawsuit and get your money.

Since you clearly know something the rest of the world's regulators do not, you should get an unpaid employee of the year award and get your money.

Again, you don't know they aren't doing any of these privacy violations again right now. You are just vomiting their marketing BS again and again "Apple means privacy". Historically their shady acts weren't discovered until much later - battery gate, siri lawsuit, etc. You're starting on personal attacks and sounding more like a bot, so I'm going to stop here.

> You're starting on personal attacks

and then

> and sounding more like a bot

Pot, kettle, etc.

Per HN guidelines: "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."

>Yes, they did

This has nothing to do with the specific question I asked, and I'm not sure why you'd think so unless Roku has some kind of Siri-like feature (which wasn't what I was intending when I asked regardless). (also, that's a dead link)

You did mention "monetizing everything you do (on your television)", my answer was for that part. Again, my question to you is - it's closed source, do you have proof they aren't actually doing it? Or are you going to wait for another half a decade for another lawsuit to find out?

My point is, it's a for-profit corporation. And a really efficient one. They don't care about anyone's privacy or anything else. Only profits. History has proof - battery gate, siri lawsuit, etc.

Are we really asking for people to prove negatives now?

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