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I could spend some cognitive effort explaining in concise terms what should bea very obvious reality. But you know how at one point you stop letting some stuff be open for debate, and spend that effort making jokes instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtr64ZQUWA

E2E or not, as a parent you can always surveil it on-device. Or just don't give the damn phone at all.

yes, because most HNers are already old so none of that applies to them, thus it's either no internet, no phone or you have to have all kinds of spyware watching what your kids (right up until 18) do 24/7

I bet everyone would've loved to live like that when they were younger. right?