Definitely not wrong here. It is a confusing mess for most people. Thankfully, for folks all in on the Apple ecosystem, it should be pretty decent of an experience. Everyone else? not so much.
I think passkeys make a messy credential situation even messier, but make a tidy credential situation even tidier.
Isn't that a single vendor (or two)? How is this not lock-in?
> Passkeys should never be allowed to be exported in clear text.
and from another comment by the issue creator:
> I don't quite understand why requiring file protection/encryption can't be a temporary minimum bar here.
They're arguing for storing them in encrypted form. That's very much a different argument than arguing against exporting. I'm not taking any sides here, I just think it's bad to so badly misrepresent people's standpoints.
Such security, very rules, wow.
Because an ZIP file with the encrypted key and the password to it in plain text is sooooo much more secure (but it doesn't break the rules, right?).
[Passkeys] should never be exported in clear text
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Passkeys should never be allowed to be exported in clear text.
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The complaint wasn't in allowing credentials to move (that is the point of the CXF and CXP work). The complaint was in having sensitive data in a plaintext file live long-term without any protections. That is also why one of Tim's early recommendations was to require encrypting the file via a passphrase.
Ultimately if a user wants control over their own keys so they can have a failsafe for recovery (and handle the safety of those exports themselves) they should be able to do so. Until we have very safe mechanisms for backups of passkeys we'll never be able to truly disable other very insecure forms of account recovery without too much risk.
> Store your data anywhere you like, online or offline. Sync with every major cloud storage provider or your own server over WebDAV or SFTP. Use your Strongbox database with any KeePass compatible client on any platform.
Please explain how self hosting open source software is locking me into a vendor.
If the sky falls and strongbox ceases working with mac/iOS I can use android and linux. Nobody is locking my lockbox.
Not to mention the only way to blacklist a specific app from Passkeys is to use the AAGUID from attestation which means it only applies to attestation. A few pieces of software were providing AAGUIDs by choice even when not attested and Apple helped remind them that the spec says non-attested Passkeys should always just return an Empty UUID (all zeroes) in AAGUID. The people that are going to block non-attested Passkeys might as well block all of them, including Apple consumer Passkeys.
There are an open standard. You just have terrible software.
Saying it's an open standard, and that it's just all the major players I'm forced to interact with that make it suck isn't very helpful. That's like the people that say "Don't like iOS? Build your own successful mobile OS lol"
I’m sorry you have multiple pieces of software that want to be in charge, but aren’t passwords the same? Because Chrome and Firefox both want me to use them for my passwords. It’s not a problem unique to Passkeys.
It’s just everyone ignoring user preferences to try to score stickiness.
Microsoft Authenticator, Bitwarden, 1Password, etc. all support storing passkeys and support multiple hardware platforms.
It's no different than making your own decision on which password manager you want to use.
In my experience, migrating between Apple Passwords and Bitwarden worked without issues, in both directions.
The vendors could use it to enhance lock in, but for the most part the vendors all seem in agreement that the rising tide safety to float all boats of Passkeys is worth investing in making them friendly, especially to non-technical users, and to some extent try to avoid direct lock-in.
The passkey provider vendors are motivated to serve their customer's needs (the end users, and secondarily enterprise deployments) over non-customer needs.
So Apple platform support (for example) will only send an attestation when one is configured via MDM. Your provisioned work device can indicate to work systems that it is in policy.
The compatibility-limiting risk, if it exists, is more likely from regulators putting their hands on the scale and pushing for security policies that would prevent synchronization and backup, and requiring attestations to make sure those policies are in effect.
The first two accounts I switched over to passkeys were my Nintendo and Playstation Accounts as it made sign-in much smoother.
I now use passkeys pretty much everywhere I have the option (at least on high value accounts such as Amazon) and I have not once had an issue. Not having to use a TOTP (or worse an SMS or email based one use code/link!) is much nicer in my personal opinion.
Some sites have a much better designed on-boarding process than others I 100% agree there. I find the sites that do a poor job with their passkey enrolment are the same sites that also did a terrible job of 2FA/MFA setup as well though.
One blessing with passkeys is since I set it up for my mother with her Amazon account she has not once had to ask me to help me reset her password. At least once every 6 months I would have to help her sort things our as she would forget it, reset it and then forget what she reset it to and can't reset it again as she hadn't clicked to update the password in her password manager so it had an old or incorrect password, etc. Always a pain to sort out. Not happened once since switching her to a passkey which is wonderful for me.
Also it is essentially impossible for her to use the passkey on a fake site. Multiple times she has fallen for phishing emails with realistic looking site logins and she would just blindly enter her username and password as many elderly people do.
If you do not have access to your personal Apple account on your work laptop, you would need to find some other passkey provider with native integration.
Under Settings > Privacy and Security, look to see that Firefox is listed and has access under "Passkeys access for Web Browsers". Unlike a native app which only needs passkeys for its own services, Firefox needs access for every potential service you might hit over the internet.
Then under General -> Autofill and Passwords, you'll see any apps which are registered as system password managers. Unfortunately this is a subset of the ones which register on iOS and I'm not familiar who has done integration yet in their Mac release - Chrome (with GPM) for instance is not listed even though it is available on iOS.
How many people are for now and forever more all in on the Apple ecosystem. You never have to login on another non Apple device ever?
It also requires foresight if switching. I ran into this with 2FA as well. When I got a new phone, after setup it offered to wipe the old one, I declined. When I went to open my 2FA app for work on the new phone, it needed to be setup. I needed the 2FA on my old phone to login to the portal and setup the new phone. Had I wiped my old phone when prompted, I would have been locked out and on the phone with the help desk. This same scenario can happen with Passkeys.
Not so fast. Migrating passkeys from iOS to Android is possible now; migrating from Android to iOS is still being worked on.
Ricky Mondello's team at Apple created the Passwords app which brought passkeys to iOS, macOS, etc.
The entire presentation is worth watching if you’re interested in passkeys; the the clip below starts at 24:00 mark where they talk about migrating between platforms.
Starting with iOS 26.5, you can choose to move passkeys and passwords
from Apple Passwords to Google Password Manager. However, Android still
needed "a future update" to receive them. That same update is meant to
add transfers from Android back to iPhone [1].
In other words, being able to move passkeys between devices and platforms has always been part of the plan.
[1]: https://youtu.be/yVadD-Lfrfk?t=1454
[2]: https://fidoalliance.org/specs/cx/cxf-v1.0-ps-errata-2026030...