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It is just crazy to me that people traded their rights away just because they got mad at some DEI programs and trans people.

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Keep people in “system 1” thinking to control them. Given the palpable shift in online conversation since a couple of Russian datacenters got blown up, it’s clear that although these fault lines always existed in US society, fringe opinions have been massively signal-boosted by bots for quite some time. I suspect there’s been a psychological Cold War going on online for at least the last decade or two, with a whole ecosystem of grifters and ragebait view farmers bottom-feeding off of state sponsored PsyOps, leading a corrupt inner circle of elite opportunists to take advantage of the resulting anger for personal gain. We’ll probably never get to tease apart what was a natural side effect of social media and what was engineered deliberately but I bet the story would be every bit as fascinating as the Manhattan project.

> Given the palpable shift in online conversation since a couple of Russian datacenters got blown up

This was a rumor based on a misunderstanding and has since been debunked. It was Yandex search crawler traffic that was reduced.

We do plenty of manipulation and divide-and-conquer on ourselves, which is heavily documented at least since the Cold War. No need to blame it all on outsiders, although certainly some of that is present as well.

Not 'outsiders', russians. They never stopped viewing US as mortal enemy, maybe lowered this a bit during Yeltsin but that paranoid fuck puttin' started quiet war against whole west from Day 1 in tye office.

Many times within EU russian 'diplomats' were caught giving pesky bribes to weak bureaucrats (ie 500 euro for some state secrets)

> Given the palpable shift in online conversation since a couple of Russian datacenters got blown up

Forgive me, but hacker news is the only social media I participate in. Is this a pretty commonly held sentiment? Like are other social media users commenting on this trend? Any news articles? Thanks

This was an early rumor, but it’s been debunked. See https://bsky.app/profile/antibot4navalny.bsky.social/post/3m... and https://cybernews.com/news/yandex-data-centers-bot-traffic-d... and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50042416

Look what the Europeans did from their antisemitism in the 1940s. We need to criminalize hate politics like we've banned other antisocial behaviors such as assault and rape. This just feels so obvious to me. Political hatemongering isn't some mystifying slippery ghost.

But no we're like "oh so we have one candidate that wants to adjust the budget to fund some libraries and this other one that wants to build concentration camps and imprison transgendered people. Alright, let's allow both on the ballot"

Being a violent hateful ignorant bigot isn't a qualifying condition for administering civic life.

Ironically, the right-wing has been the most vocal in pushing for criminalizing anti-semitism as of late, largely to curtail pro-Palestinian protesting.

But let me guess, that'd be bad because you meant "criminalization of speech I don't agree with", not "criminalization of 'hate speech'".

Being on the side of human rights watch, amnesty international, doctors without borders, the red cross, oxfam, and the un about the classification of a war strategy isn't antisemitism

People with Nazi tattoos who make songs called heil hitler and chanting "Jews will not replace us" on the far right passing around protocols of the elders of Zion calling human rights watch "the actual antisemites" doesn't make it so.

Words have meaning and lying criminal hate mongering scam artists who are viscerally and proudly antisemitic slandering human rights organizations... I mean you take scam artists and conmen and all of a sudden there's this shroud labeled political identity that they tie around their hips and now their crimes qualify them to scam the civic government?

No.

If you oppose them, it'd be good to understand them instead of being shocked about straw men. If you'd like to understand them, it's very easy to find their media and thought leaders sharing eg. demographic data. "Remigration" is the key term, now.

> If you'd like to understand them, it's very easy to find their media and thought leaders…

You can't really understand a hypocrite by taking their public utterances at face value.

I understand what they're saying -- they're still using straw men arguments. So what's your point.

Its been a bad habit since 9/11 and the disgusting mess that is the PATRIOT act.

Never underestimate how much most Americans will gladly shit on their freedoms if they're told it will hurt someone slightly different than them.

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