I would sooner trust a Chinese company than an Israeli company. Is there any country less trustworthy and more hostile to users?
If I was to say which countries do the most to restrict digital freedom, I'd say look at this table: https://eylenburg.github.io/countries.htm
If I was to say what companies have done the most to take the most privacy from the most people, it would be American big tech like Google and Meta.
There's some okayish software from Israel I can think of, like Zcash.
These Israeli ones are literal criminal companies. What Meta does should be illegal. Both are immoral.
A single spyware against a journalist is much worse than a single Facebook user, but for the total impact on society, they both destroy democracy and human rights significantly.
>I would sooner trust a Chinese company than an Israeli company
As for trust, with privacy I'm a big proponent of avoiding it. Use E2EE or self host if you have to. The country does not matter so much.
We all end up running closed source code somewhere
If you do you'll be much better off avoiding Israeli tech
As a rule if you boycott everything Israeli it'll be smarter, more ethical, and safer
Israel still have the reputation of being part of the ‘free world’ in the collective mind.
that is more dangerous.
At this point, I don’t agree. I’m an immigrant living in the US currently. From an infosec and real-world consequences perspective, I have much less reason to fear what the Chinese government or corporations could do with my information than what either the current US government or its major tech corporations might do.
> Israel still have the reputation of being part of the ‘free world’ in the collective mind.
That collective mind is cognitively challenged and extremely ignorant, but it doesn’t mean I have to be.
seems to me like lots of people are wary of ever criticizing or changing their mind about Israel, because their population once was the target of arguably the most heinous genocide in history, so far, which i'm of course very sorry for. must've caused some heavy, multi-generational trauma, other than that i can't explain why they're acting the way they do. don't make the mistake of translating official government statements or looking at population surveys, truly horrific, barbaric stuff. but of course the only terrorists in all of this are their neighbors which they keep in open-air prisons they at this point have bombed to rubble.
us, the general public, is more or less atomized and the whole idea of it existing, but having an opinion outside "those who know" is precisely the way they manufacture it, thus people may believe all they want, but think that it is common knowledge that Israel can commit crimes due to victimhood in the past etc - nobody needs to believe this, only to think that others do
Today, I saw an American news reporter got beaten up on the ground by 50 Israeli colonists.
That fact alone would get media, government most us citizens angry with pitch forks.
There is some very strong lobbying at multiple levels.
If I were engaged in anything hostile to Israel I utterly would not trust Israeli stuff. But Israel is normally quite careful about target selection, if I was not engaged in anything hostile to Israel I would expect anything they slip in to be secure and to not do any harm beyond it's existence. A scene from Lebanon not too long ago makes it very clear: A whole bunch of people milling about, setting up for selfies and the like--then we see the building behind destroyed by an airstrike. Clearly all those people around knew the building was going to be destroyed and they trusted Israeli accuracy enough to be standing not too far from where the bomb would land.
China, though, I would utterly not trust target selection or security against misuse.
Vote me down all you want for saying something about Israel that's not super negative, but it's not a "which country do I dislike most" competition when it comes to facts.
Also, meta discussion about down votes is against him policy, yet magically you're exempt, typical of **
Israel being a (disfunctional and rather illiberal at this point) democracy, means it's much better for it's own citizens (excluding Arabs ofc), but says nothing about the people outside. Same for the US BTW.
Exploding pagers. Israel literally killed people with consumer tech.
They use this software to find and kill people. Which they then publicly brag about. How much more hostile do you want to be?
There is no limit. The request is not coming from genuine curiosity — they are asking for a stricter definition so that they can attack any one that you provide, no matter how sensible. The befuddlement is deliberate.
EDIT: I looked at your comment history and it's full of snarky comments like the one you made here. You're either trolling or you lack a serious self-awareness in your contributions to this platform. Maybe time to step back and examine if it's worth even being on here if you can't control your emotions and have a civil conversation instead of these virtual drive-by shootings where you don't even engage with the actual person you're commenting about. This is not Reddit.
Israel has openly and publicly threatened western politicians and citizens that don't aid their agenda however, many times. Like Russia, they have also shot down commercial airliners.
Unlike Russia, they have killed American sailors whilst directly attacking American naval assets.