Everyone that went to the island is attracted to pre prepubescent children?
Is that your claim?
Is that your claim?
with the most notorious pedophile on earth?
> Virginia Giuffre alleged in a lawsuit that in the early 2000s, when she was 18, she participated in an orgy on the island with Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and eight girls who "appeared to be under the age of 18" and did not speak English.
What exactly are you defending here?
Prove what exactly?
Epstein pled guilty in state court in June 2008 to procuring a minor for prostitution, and was subsequently registered as a sex offender. His conviction, the child victim, and his plea-deal scandal were all public record and nationally covered by the media in 2008. Prior to November 2012, the publicly available records linking "pedophile island" (as it was referred to by locals) to abuse of minors was multiple 2008–2009 lawsuits and the 2011 media coverage. Said media coverage was the UK press turning the case into an international story from February 2011, that included: photos of Andrew and Epstein in Central Park, the Mail on Sunday photo of Andrew with Roberts and Maxwell, details about Sarah Ferguson being paid to clear her debts, and Andrew stepping down as trade envoy in July 2011.
The facts we have currently are via this truncated DOJ release, because prior to that Elon lied about their relationship on several occasions:
- “he never toured SpaceX” (July 2020).
- “Epstein tried to get me to go to his island and I REFUSED” (Sept 2025)
And the facts are that Elon was asking the world's most notorious pedophile when he could visit the private island so he could attend his wildest party. This might be normal for you, but if I knew someone who was a convicted pedophile I wouldn't want to speak to them ever again, let alone begging to be invited to their wildest party on a remote private island.
"What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?"
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA006616...
"Do you have any parties planned? I've been working to the edge of sanity this year and so, once my kids head home after Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St Barts or elsewhere and let loose. The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for."
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02563...
October 2, 2013 - https://www.etonline.com/news/139074_Woody_Allen_Daughter_Br... - "Woody Allen's adopted daughter Dylan opens up to Vanity Fair special correspondent Maureen Orth about the sexual abuse scandal involving her famous father."
Sat, Nov 23 - Epstein: "will you come to caribean this xmas? , woody alien with me, you might enjoy", Elon: "Yes"
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01944...
Again, who is the convicted pedophile?
Again, I do have to pose the question because I'm not sure if you are being willfully obtuse:
Would you willingly of your own volition repeatedly keep emailing a convicted child sex offender (a “Level 3 sex offender” in New York, which is the state’s highest classification), asking to visit their private island (where instances of underage rape were documented in the public domain) so you could attend one of their wildest parties?
If your answer is anything other than no, then there's not much more to say. Note that I did use your preferred phrasing too, even though clinically, pedophilia means a sexual attraction to children.
> Or keep this living rent free in your head for who knows what reason.
Why would this not bother you in the slightest? That's a better question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia if you need to learn.
Pedophilia means attraction to prepubescent children. Quibbling about whether Epstein and co. met the legal definition for being a convicted pedophile wouldn't be the hill I'd want to die on. All of your comments look insanely bad, but will look immeasurably worse in the future.
As a reminder:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
> “You read through these files, and you read about 15-year-old girls, 14-year-old girls, 10-year-old girls,” Raskin said.
> “I saw a mention of a nine-year-old girl today. I mean, this is just preposterous and scandalous.”
Go look at the emails. It kinda shows Elon was clueless about what the island was about.
Also he wasn't notorious at the time.
> What exactly are you defending here?
Ah you're going to accuse me of defending pedophilia now? Figures with your type.
No, it is not normal to be attracted to adolescents after you leave that age group.
Jesus fuck.
Pretty sure they’re just straight up lying too.
I literally linked one in my first post - I'm clearly more familiar with them than you are.
> Also he wasn't notorious at the time.
you're right, it's not like the UK press had implicated Prince Andrew in 2011 which was international news, three years after Epstein's conviction for procuring a minor which was also international news.
> It kinda shows Elon was clueless about what the island was about.
In the released emails we have thus far, Musk was the first to bring up the concept of a party, on 25 November 2012. So no, that doesn't indicate at all that Musk was clueless about what the island was all about.
> Ah you're going to accuse me of defending pedophilia now?
I don't need to, but given the evidence (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50126559) it is very weird behavior to go out of your way to defend him.
In fact we agree that everyone throwing around this word does massive disjustice to actual pedophilia victims which is one of the worst things you could do.
There's absolutely an argument to be made there but in this case it's a bit more specific.
Anyone that repeatedly emails the most notorious pedophile on earth, begging to be invited to the wildest party on their private island is absolutely a pedophile.