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I'm trying to get out of the US but every other country is also having their own anti-immigration moment right now.

Also, these things work reciprocally. The more difficult the US is in admitting immigrants, the more pressure their citizens get too.

I remember when I went to Australia, I could stay a year but American backpackers only 6 months because that's what Australians got in the US.

Even today there's almost no place in the world that is as accepting to immigrants as compared to the US.

That depends on what you mean by accepting. Culturally or legally? Legally the immigration process to the US has always been one of the hardest and the bureaucracy around it is a nightmare.

Culturally and legally, as compared to any similarly developed nation.

You couldn't be more wrong then. Just among the countries I've looked into: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, and Spain all have a much easier immigration process. The US is notorious for their long nonsensical immigration process.

Canada, Australia, and Germany have a pretty similar immigration process. Australia is the easiest out of the three, but they still only accept 1 immigrant per 10 we accept in the US, so I struggle to see how that's "easier." Germany is harder by every measure, and Canada is pretty similar in "difficulty" by most measures.

New Zealand and Spain you really couldn't be more wrong. Just for starters, both countries combined accept only ~50k immigrants per year (the US is 20x that).

If you calculate the "expected value" for a migrant from anywhere in the world, the best bet you can make will predict that they'll end up migrating into the US. From this metric, I'd judge that the US is the "easiest" destination.

Btw, I say this as an immigrant in the USA ;)

Your definition is easiest is so tortured that you definitely belong in the US.

Sounds like you definitely don't belong in the US with that attitude!

I can name quite a few in South America alone. Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc.

"Accepting" is different from "tolerating with a few instances of hate crimes and likelihood of incarceration". You have to include non-white people in the acceptance criteria.

>I can name quite a few in South America alone. Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc.

And which of those are as desirable for foreigners to come work in, as the US?

It's easy to be super open to migration when you have little migration to begin with and the one you get is mostly wealthy foreigners coming to invest/buy properties and vacation/retire/remote-work there.

Those are the undesirable migrants, who call themselves "expats" rather than immigrants because they view themselves as not of that place. The desirable immigrants are the ones who show up with the hopes of becoming full citizens, they integrate into the country and culture, obey laws at a higher rate than citizens, and raise a family who themselves will be full citizens. Retirees bringing their money is fine and all, but if they're just going to treat the country as a vacation and retirement home then I don't see how that helps the country really.

> they integrate into the country and culture, obey laws at a higher rate than citizens

Which % are those?

>but if they're just going to treat the country as a vacation and retirement home then I don't see how that helps the country really

They help the existing property/business owners by making them wealthier, which let's be real is all governments care about.

Canada, on the other hand, favours high skill immigration right now,

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/canada-adding-new-ex...

What countries have you tried to move to that rejected you & why?

I haven't been rejected to any. I'm just monitoring changing requirements and sentiment in other countries, primarily Asia and parts of Europe. If you have suggestions for countries I'm open to them.

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