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Musk approached Trump to slow down Starlink in Ukraine

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When will it be enough that we seriously consider a forced corporate breakup or divestment?

We seem to be vying for history's best example of what happens when ultimate wealth and power concentrates in one person.

After midterms and potential Congressional regime change.

doubtful if you ask me, most (from both sides) are in cahoots

If you haven't seen my recommendation (since we cross paths here frequently and have general alignment), I think you would really like...

What Happened to Liberal Democracy - Daron Acemoglu

The Tyranny of Meritocracy - Michael Sandel

I'm still working my way through them, but they both have amazing analyses of how we got to where we are, and ideas for how we get out of it

> most (from both sides) are in cahoots

With Musk? He’s giving hundreds of millions to cost half of them their jobs.

> ideas for how we get out of it

What’s the best idea out of the lot?

Not sure it's the best, but the first idea is for the liberals/democrats to acknowledge their complicity in causing this. What they are offering will not fix things.

I would place myself center-left and a believer in Liberal Democracy, not to be confused with liberals or democrats

re: cahoots, I mean more generally the corporate-government corruption we see everywhere, the 1%

I'm making a throwback sign for the protest this weekend

"Occupy Oligarchy" - something about 1% vs 99%, still ideating

I do like the vibe of Acemoglu but somehow don't remember any concrete recommendations either.. I've submitted https://youtu.be/e5O1Y-5phEU in the spirit of trying to strengthen the meat of his ideas (a la Nietzsche) but I don't get it, not really..

What I'd actually like to reinforce is the pipeline of good ideas from the 99% to usage by the 99% without "passing through the 1%"

(Show HN is that? marginally less so these days "due to slop", but to me, it's that the best ideas don't look different from slop at first. Should Nietzsche apply here?)

Something as fundamental as the pattern-recignition integrator by which you became famous to me :)

How's that coming along as a real product. PostASI there's even more room for that sort of thing (imho)

I think the link you shared is the same one that first exposed me to Acemoglu!

Here is my current short-list, plus some bonuses

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp5qsEuUOWo (Sandel)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3iK7j36tI4 (Acemoglu)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKdfNztHq1k (together)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZpINmi6C3o (together)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=205IdzGJMJs (bonus 1 - the students)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CbmC2aWhjY (bonus 2 - opus 23, best ai video ever)

Ah the second one looks particularly promising.

It even sounds like he's asking us to proactively prepare for the next future shock (Toffler)

(Tip: I yt-dlp download subtitles for fast scanning, but it seems the Russian(?) maintainers have been uh preoccupied)

I have a Make rule for that

re: pattern recognition, do you mean hof &| cue

I'm currently focused on Ai stuff, but I did add my custom agent into hof, but it needs more work / rewrite

I have intention to rename hof -> veg, currently rebranding around my long-time internet handle. Also very into harness engineering, zines, and bringing rationality back to the Ai conversation. Been asked to help work on legislation / regulations, not sure what that means yet, but doing a bunch of homework for when that gets going in January.

This

https://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings-article/big-data/2...

I thought I saw a repo of this? From a repo today, it could be immediately accessible to anybody, even kids, Claude subscription not needed

oh, my phd work!

this is my vibe coded rewrite with open weights from this spring, it has links to the related stuff

https://github.com/verdverm/pge-jax

fun fact, when I presented the paper you linked, I didn't and talked about kubernetes instead, they were all still mesos-marathon and I can in saying "this is what you will all be doing in a couple years"

https://archive.is/TAQ0P

I’ve gone from pro-EU to Eurosceptic in seeing how toothless an entire continent has become to Russo-American corruption and aggression.

If this is true, Musk is a national security risk to NATO and the EU. Consider the fury with which America (conventionally) or China or any regional power would react to a foreign person directly agitating against their own security interests like this while still seeking to profit off their market access.

The US have been controlling Europe since 1945, and NATO is one tool (when France left the integrated command and kicked out US troops in 1966 it was exactly for that reason).

At the moment the US administration is maybe bluster than usual but I don't think there has been a fundamental change in the balance of power or who's really is in charge.

I don't think Musk's behaviour with respect to Starlink is out of the ordinary, either for someone in hos position. It's just that somehow things tend to get more public, or more leaked, nowadays.

> US have been controlling Europe since 1945

This is hyperbole. Europe features full democracies. Its voters have consistently chosen quality of life and convenience over strategic autonomy.

That was a reasonable trade-off then. It’s a bad trade now. Europe, however, seems incapable of institutionally adapting to that, instead continuing to hope the last ten years have been a blip.

> don't think Musk's behaviour with respect to Starlink is out of the ordinary

An American helping the Soviets against Europe during the Cold War would have been jailed or executed. This behavior is absolutely out of the ordinary.

Superficial democracy does not exclude control on key issues at a deeper level.

I think Musk is helping his interests, which is what people in his position have always done and the US is not directly at war, either. In fact so far the US have benefited from the war in Ukraine, indeed at the expense of Europe... but the US look after their interests nothing new or strange.

> Superficial democracy

Europe features full democracies. Its electorates chose to outsource security. That doesn’t make their democracies superficial or irrevocable.

> the US have benefited from the war in Ukraine, indeed at the expense of Europe

American oil and gas producers have benefited. Americans have not—we’re paying more for everything because of these wars. In the long run, American power has been severely degraded.

No it doesn't have "full democracy". Only Switzerland has a full democracy, in the world.

Most of (western) Europe has a bleak copy, representative democracy, where we get the representatives who are the best at advancing within a political organisation. Essentially, the worst type of yes man you can imagine.

You're making a lot of claims without a scrap of evidence to support it. In fact rather than support your prior claims you simply elaborate with new ones.

That's a red flag IMO. Are you able to support your fairly extreme claims of secret control rather than voluntary membership? The shallowness of "European Democracy", or an explanation for why Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine would all rush to try and join NATO?