> Tesla doesn't have a great record anyways.
> Tesla doesn't have a great record anyways.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes...
> The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws.... Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well....
> “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities”....
The more rigorous data is the IIHS driver death rates, which use real registration data and adjust for driver age and gender (iihs.org/topics/driver-death-rates). It shows the RWD Model 3 is about half its class average (15 vs 29 deaths per million vehicle-years) and the Model S is about average. The AWD Model 3 is above average (39 vs 29), which points more to how fast cars get driven than to the car itself. IIHS hasn’t published a Model Y rate yet.
So Teslas aren’t the deadliest brand. The faster versions show more risk, which is the same pattern IIHS sees with muscle cars.
Perhaps some billionaires will buy it, good for them.
Why do you guys contort yourselves into knots trying to find any and every conceivable problem with something that doesn't affect you ... get over it already. Go ahead and flag me.
I mean yes, they do. But we don't think of them as birds.
and if you've been in Teslas that are a few years old, you might have experienced phantom braking. random hard braking for no apparent reason. i try to avoid being behind Teslas on the road if i can help it.
I would say the quality might be high for an american car but here in europe it's absolute dogshit tier.
i remember reading about the first cobra in the 60's, where a huge percentage of the owners didn't live to make the second payment.
Working backwards from their stats & FARS data, I calculated that for their claims to be true, each Model Y would need to accumulate only 4,300 miles per year. This is far below Tesla's reports of 13,000-14,000 miles per year. Also iSeeCars claimed that an average of 2.8 vehicles were involved in fatal accidents for every billion miles traveled. But at the time the US had 13.3 deaths per billion miles traveled. So for their data to be correct, the average fatal accident would need to have five fatalities.
https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
Lastly, are you admitting that your first link was incorrect since you didn’t respond to my points at all?
[1]Lots of other cars have technically faster times than Teslas, but most of them require launch control, good tires, and sound like the engine's about to explode. You can floor the Tesla at any time and the software will deliver however much power it can without slipping.
https://autoedgeview.com/ev-reviews/europe-cybertruck-ban-ex...
This just says vehicles in the US have lower safety requirements than other countries, which is need to nobody.
As for US safety standards, that seems a lower bar...
Quite ironic.
> EU safety regs are pass/fail - there's no sources stating Tesla have exceeded anything there, they need to pass in order to be sold in Europe, so they've done whatever the minimum required is for that.
Yup I wasn't making out that your statement was technically incorrect, just irrelevant.
https://vsp.virginia.gov/virginia-state-police-trooper-rescu...
And 14 others - that I'm aware of - to date.
It's also a conversation maker (sometimes you're not party to that conversation) and gets you labeled at the office.
> Every Tesla ever made has a door release that doesn't require any electricity.
Was a valid response to the comment you replied to:
> Like the people who get trapped in case of accident when the electricity fail and is burned inside?
Implying others are making untrue statements by making intentionally deceptive statements is very rude.
BTW, the emergency release procedure should always be the same as the normal release process. All systems should fail to a safe state on a power loss. It’s easy to design a door lever that engages the powered open on pull and a mechanic mechanism when pulling harder or further.
I looked up the owner's manual description of the opening mechanism (posted by (ammar2, above) [0], and found it was an insanely dangerous design, literally worthy of an escape room as other sibling posters have described.
It is hidden below a mat, which must be removed, then a red tab pressed (not pulled), and there is a big caution AGAINST using it when the car has any power as it may damage the car.
So, you are in a rapidly expanding lithium fire, you must first determine if the car has power or not, and then you must fumble and root around to find which trim mat to pull, and then whether to pull (wrong) or push the red tab.
If you fail to do these steps quickly enough, you will die a horrible death in a fire (as many have).
If you use this lever at an inopportune time, you will damage the car.
In what other automobile does using a manual door-opening mechanism damage the vehicle?
This is one of the most insanely user- and owner-hostile designs I have ever encountered or heard of in life.
And it has actually unnecessarily cause at least a dozen people to be burned alive and conscious.
And here you are defending it in multiple posts like some idiotic fanboy. Seriously, rethink your priorities and your life. It is truly sad your identity so much depends on someone else's massively flawed personality and product designs.
[0] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2020_2024_modely/en_us/GU...
At least on the newer ones it looks like it at least has signage and is less obstructed: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC...
[has X]
[has X designed, built, and visible in the car such that it can be easily found and operated whilst panicking for your life, or rushing from outside while trying to save a trapped passenger's life]
There are people who would tell you that while Tesla may have the first, it does not have the latter, but they cannot because they are dead, and should not be.
I could just punch a hole in the door and route it, as many have done, but it has no child lock integration which could be problematic.
Life is balancing risks. Do you drive an S-class? Why did you risk driving a less safe car?
This lock issue is not regulated and many electric cars have this and/or other issues. It's not like I have great choices if I want to drive an electric sedan.
In addition, most brands I'm aware of will unlock the car when the airbags are deployed (Kia/Hyundai, Renault, Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW). Because these cars still have door handles, they can be opened by a bystander after a crash.
The issue is not that the doors are locked. The issue is that unlocked doors without door handles are still useless.
Most cars that have self un/lock functionality, also unlock all doors when the car detects an accident.
Billionaires drive Teslas? I must be in good company.
The manual override is not obvious and people have burned to death in crashes because they could not get the door open after the power went down.
They engineer to robustly pass tests, seemingly without a lot of consideration of "beyond" the test. It's not uncommon for most OEMs to target the test metrics, but you can still make design choices along the way where you may recognize with EJ when there is a "design cliff" and you may avoid it.. if desired.
They're bang-bang functions, which aren't very smart.
My first comment was just meant to highlight why* a certain car might pass all tests but have more injuries in real life. Another reason could be the nature of Tesla accidents, with people either driving silly or people sleeping in the car while it drives itself into a wall, e.g.
In reality, when you're getting close to 99ppm you start getting "borderline" notices on your MoT that you should look into this before your car ends up in the failure zone.
If you are ok to pay twice the value of the car for 101 ppm, then fine. Or four times for 102, eight for 103 and so on. There will be a point where no manufacturer will make a car with those numbers.
That things which are good for an individual but bad for everyone else deserve scrutiny?
Go back to times past and think about electricity for instance. Can you even imagine? 'Yeah we'd uh like to set up these poles all around the countryside and string some wires between them. And yeah if anybody touches those wire, they die and all the electricity gets screwed up. If lightning strikes them or a tree falls on them, yeah they're gonna fall and start fires. And there will be live wires - and uh yeah again, touch 'em and you die. Anyhow, we good to go? In exchange for this totally-safe-tech we'll be able to have electric lights! I mean how cool is that? Err and in full disclosure about those lights, uh don't touch the sockets or well.. you know, yeah - you die. Okay, so we good to go?'
People, in the short term, don't like the cognitive dissonance being rattled, but I think in the longrun that's what has the biggest impact on our ideological direction shifting.
Perhaps just look at a few ancient European towns with cobbled streets with no pavements, no wider than 2.5M and hairpin turns at many junctions. Perhaps it's just a product that doesn't suit the market.
I can and so can anyone else, but what fantasy scenario is this? Which specific rules of this "regulatory bureaucracy" would stop it?
Similarly for cars themselves. You're speaking of machines which operate on the basis of hundreds of small explosions per second hopefully contained within a metal chassis under a hood to let a person drive tons of metal around which can trivially be weaponized to cause mass deaths, as has already happened multiple times in Europe. Even when not behaving maliciously, the number of deaths caused by crashes is in the millions per year. And again that's also after a century of safety improvements.
What was the lethality of gas lighting in terms of intoxication or fires? How many people died per year per household served?
"A car with sharp metal edges that slices up pedestrians" is not a technical development.
I personally saw one in Krakow, Poland.
Cybertruck does not have EU homologation so Tesla can't sell it in EU. Because at the moment they don't want to.
You can buy it, import it and certify for legal use. It requires minor modifications but is perfectly legal.
Its not allowed to be sold to the mass market in Europe. The import law is something different.