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I am not. They can alpha test elsewhere.

What metrics would you accept for you not to consider it an alpha test? Because they've been running in Phoenix, Az since April, 2017, and have been offering rides to the general public in San Francisco since June 2024. It doesn't handle Boston winters, it doesn't handle torrential rain, but it's a bit past "alpha" stage.

Alpha <- I should've put that in quotes, I suppose. My tolerance level is lower than yours, that's cool, but I am not getting into these things nor any robot drone choppers or planes. I can barely trust my HDA2 (ADAS) in my Ioniq 5 to not steer me into a rail guard.

Yeah, because your Honda is totally using comparable technology. /s

Ioniq is not a Honda..

I do not drive a Honda. This was about something else.

Judging all self-driving tech by one brand is as ridiculous as judging all hamburgers by one from McDonalds. Hyundai's capability is years behind Tesla and Waymo because they started actual years later than the best.

Hey, I liked FSD quite a bit, but it was just 3 times. I am eyeing a Juniper Tesla Y after my Ioniq lease runs out and I'll happily pay the $100/m extra for FSD, but I am the fallback.

Waymo, I don't care how advanced it is, I am not getting into a 2K kg robot on public roads. Ironically, they are switching their fleet to the Ioniq 5 but what's under the hood must be completely different.

Burgers, not my thing, can't relate.

They've been used in San Fran and LA and other large markets for years now. In what way are they still "alpha testing"?

Ok, v 0.85? Just the thought of testing these things on public roads, no matter when it happened, doesn't sit well with me in any way. I am not a Luddite, quite the opposite, there is just something off about the whole concept.

Can you talk about what, or is it just a feeling that you have?

Lizard-brain aversion/fear, and that these things' network will be hacked. I am not a lab rat.

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