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when something is that cheap, just remember, you're giving something valuable to the people selling you that thing

Just an unrelated PSA that Anthropic trains on your Claude code sessions unless you disable it:

https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms

nonono when Anthropic does it, it's a fair business practice, when Chinese companies do it, it's evil. See also "distillation"

I think there's a fair argument here for the other way.

No [reasonable] person expects a free game to not sell microtransactions or ads or something, but a paid game doing that would garner some anger or squints.

I mean, same goes for OpenAI. Why point out only Anthropic?

For OpenAI they also have a separate opt-out for stopping training on your codex environment:

"Codex has a separate Include environments setting in Codex settings that controls whether additional context from your Codex environments can be used to train OpenAI models. Changing your ChatGPT setting or opting out through the Privacy Portal does not change that setting." https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7730893-data-controls-in...

The point is that the contrapositive to GP’s statement does not hold. In other words, if the AI is cheap they’re training on your data might be true, but if the AI is expensive it does not imply they are not training on your data.

Anthropic has the most expensive models and train on your data by default. The fact that OpenAI also does shows that the cost of the AI doesn’t seem to be a deciding factor.

I agree in principle, but the example doesn't hold. Anthropic is only more expensive over API, and they don't train on API usage by default.

https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/7996868-is-my-data-us...

I've found the max 200 plans to be roughly equivalent, with Claude giving slightly more usage recently, especially after the OpenAI usage slash and upsell to the 500 plan

No, it's open source and is actually cheap to run, while performing the same, which is why it is being run and provided by 31 different providers for Openrouter.

Not necessarily, you can buy low priced Deepseek inference also from many services that guarantee ZDR and GDPR compliance. My personal rule is: Never buy inference from those who also train models, because they have an inherent incentive to abuse your data to train their models.

Also because the independent services won't have incentive to resell your data. (to have another income and therefore make their inference cost lower, enabling them to gain over competition)

once they go bankrupt or do exit, what do people think will happen to data that has real value to it? Also why trust some random mid level company

Given its open weight you can actually calculate the cost of running it and see if that makes sense to you or not. There is a whole ecosystem of providers serving deepseek models at the same low price, hosted in the US or the EU, with zero data retention terms.

Or, when something is that cheap, it's going to take multiple tries to get it right anyway, so you might as well build that into the cost.

If it's not cheap you might be doing the same thing ...

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