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Israeli settlers attack European diplomatic cars in West Bank beat French mayor

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It is important to note that this is not an isolated incident, and this story has only reached the news because the victims are European dignitaries. Those pogroms (there's no better word to describe those incidents) are happening on a daily basis, and the scale (multiple attacks per day) makes it apparent that this not just random violence, but a coordinated campaign to ethnically cleanse the rural Palestinian population of the West bank.

Edit: language.

It's election campaigning, nothing more, nothing less. Can't wait for that to finally be over, maybe then some sense will come back to Israeli politics.

It's not, this happens constantly in the West Bank. It's also weird that attacking civilians would be considered election campaigning?

There never was sense to begin with

Even the word Settlers is diabolically manipulative. Like in you are going to settle on what there is already an implication ...of something that is yours to settle to...

"Israeli murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called terrorists."

   - George Carlin

Actually, no. In Germany, we had news since months about what the settlers do, even if "only" Palestinians were targeted.

Here is just one of them: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/westjordanland-palaestinenser...

If you don't know german and translate the article, you'll learn that they speak about "at least 30 murdered by settlers". So even if you didn't notice the sequence of articles over the years, you can see from this one article that we don't talk about isolated singularities.

The topic is even covered by jewish outlets (and not favorable for the settlers!), e.g. https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/meinung/siedlergewalt-ei...

The thing is that in Israel the central government is in a coalition with Nazis. Not german nazis, but jewish nationalist that have similar mind setting (e.g. valuing jewish live way higher than non-jewish life. Or having the idea that one needs "room to settle", this time not in east europe, but instead in the West Bank and Gaza strip.

And anther thing is similar: the german police was "Gleichgeschaltet" and didn't really persecute crimes. E.g. if one was so bold and to notice the police about crimes in the "Reichspogromnacht", then the police didn't follow up the e.g. arsonist crime, but instead the one reporting this to the police. And now in Israel, the minister of the interior (and thus boss of Police) is Moshe Arbel. Known for support of the settler movement. Or for declaring that the israel health sector mustn't treat palestinians anymore.

And so, the israel police no longer treat crimes against palestinians in the illegally occupied zones. Even when the wrong-doers enter Israel (so that the police becomes responsible again).

And, since these zones are occupied, not even the occupation force (the IDF) prosecute the settlers crimes. Most settlers are part of the IDF, they often use IDF weapons to do their crimes.

And therefore, the original people living there are now in a rightless position. If someone wants to study if anarchy is a nice government system, then one should look there.

Is be very surprised if there is any other action other than some statements condemning the attack. I wonder what's the line that needs to be crossed before some actions are taken against the government of Israel, which constantly allows this. My guess is that even killing some (<10) Europeans still would not cut it.

Well, you’re not aware of history then. Settlers suck, more needs to be done to manage them, there have been many interventions to deal with them over the years. Less so recently, hopefully that will change. There is an election in Israel next weekend.

> Settlers suck, more needs to be done to manage them, there have been many interventions to deal with them over the years

The IDF was present, not only they did nothing to stop the settlers, they shot tear gas at the Palestinians. "More needs to be done", lol. This is state-sanctioned violence, has been going on for decades, and the entire country is complicit.

Go watch "Checkpoint" by Yoav Shamir, it's from 2003. Nothing really has been done to manage them since then (and since way before).

Nothing will be done, it's just lip-service for folks like you to believe that there's a higher morality going on than what it actually is, it's pure deception.

>some statements condemning the attack

Netanyahu's line today is that Arabs and leftist activists are provoking Jewish settler attacks and/or staging the violence.

What will the French government do? What does our government do when Americans are attacked by Israelis? Nothing. There can be little more proof that our governments are occupied than that!

Well, if a government does nothing about problem X doesn't proof anything. Because X is very, very large.

There are simply too many conflicts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

And your claim "when Americans are attacked by Israelis" is IMHO also misleading. As if "attacking americans" is anything special.

I mean, your (and mine!) government did nothing when "americans" attacked ...

* Iraq based one fabricated lies? (Actually my government told the USA that their single witness talking about WMDs is a lunatic and should not be believed). Around 500000 people died directly or indirectly due to this war. That's a number of the University of Washington, so not some propaganda number. And yet, due to the killings of the 9/11 --- which was "only" 2996 deaths --- many countries went into mass hysteresis. But for the 500000 people died in Iraq we only have a shoulder movement? I'd even go so far and say that the rise of the ISIS was only possible because the USA created a might vacuum in Iraq.

* Now, the 9/11 attack by criminals made the USA call article 5 of the NATO statutes. As if a nation did attack them (it was a bunch of criminals). And they use that to bully others to attack Afghanistan. Now, no people of Afghanistan took part in the 9/11 attack. And the leader of that attack, bin Laden, wasn't even there. He was in Pakistan. And no full scale war was needed to get him, a commando ops was all it needed.

* If the WMDs in Iraq as a lie to make war wasn't the only one the USA did to have a reason to attack. They also fabricated the tonkin incident. Do you know that even today babies get born with gene defects in Vietnam due to Agent Orange? What does your government do about that?

* Iraq wasn't the only regional conflict with USA participation where the people were in a worse state then even under a cruel dictator. The other that comes to mind is Libya. Till today, the power vacuum created by the USA fuels a civil war, making life of people there miserable.

If governments were just and would act on all of this, then they would have made boycotts towards the USA like we now do this (rightfully!) with Russia.

It's just that humans aren't just and good. And so human government aren't good and just either.

It's a government's job to protect it's citizens. What we see here is our governments protecting Israel's ability to murder their own citizens!

I agree with your other statements, the US is criminal for partaking in those actions. Guess who they benefited? Israel (aside from the Tonkin affair). It's crystal clear at this point that our nations are occupied by Zionists and must be de-Zionized.

The world turns a blind eye to Israeli terrorism.

No it doesn’t. There are literally dozens of news stories about this incident including ones from every major news outlet (BBC, NYT, Guardian, etc.)

https://news.google.com/search?q=Settlers%20israel&hl=en-US&...

And nothing bad happens to the settlers.

There needs to be more than just articles.

Sure it does. What do your elected representatives have to say? Do these news stories influence their decision making?

Do you or your fellow constituents have any influence over their decision making?

After all, U.S. tax dollars and foreign policy enable this behavior.

Imagine the reactions if it would not be Israeli 'settlers' also known as terrorists, but Syrians or Afghan people doing the attacks...

Settlers is an euphemism for Jewish terrorists. Stop using settlers for them.

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