It might not be super healthy to be so emotionally invested in a company, its products, and its doings.
Parent is just passionate about the quality, or decline, of the tools he spend a good chunk of money of, and spends hours each day doing professional work with.
The person I responded to self-identified as an "Apple fanbitch". Now they categorically say "Screw Apple."
That seems like a pretty emotional attachment swinging from one extreme to another. Attachment will cause you pain.
And it's not a swing: it happens over years. Discontent built up by a thousand small cuts.
Things failing when you need them the most, so often that it makes you reflexively afraid the next time you think about trying it.
The conversation on HN has expanded way beyond that, used as a mere starting point, and in this subthread is about the "death by a 1000 cuts" of modern Apple issues.
Read the room and look up what "discontent" means.
It's like talking about a button on Trump's suit and expecting no politics to come up.
And "Screw Apple" sounds like a totally valid consumer sentiment, when the products stop serving you and get more expensive and cocky. Not some blind rage.
And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined.
Someone bought the hardware. It worked. Then it stopped / was damaged, and not for bad use (e.g. operating it in the sun or dropping it or something).
>but to suggest there's no such thing as price/durability trade offs, regular wear and tear, or just poor construction, and instead it is "hardware changes" is a weird take.
Nobody suggested that, so that's an even weirder take.
The things mentioned are not "regular wear and tear" nor price/durability trade offs.
As for "poor construction", yes, that leads to hardware that changes to worse under you over time. Mind blown?
Show me a single product EVER that doesn't have failure modes or that lasts forever.
None of this is to say I excuse poorly made products. But they generally are known before most people buy them, so a buyer can make an informed decision.
Again with the bullshit strawman. Did anybody said anything about "zero defects under any circumstances"?
Yes, production units can fail. Errors can be made in some factory. Or from some supplier.
Not the same as designing a crappy keyboard mechanism, people have called out as crap for years, insisting on it, and it failing people again and again - only to come with fanfare 5 years later to revert it as if you're innovating by doing so.
Or like making parts non replaceable on purpose and having them get worse performance in newer versions of the OS for no good reason. (The complimentary thing to tieing OS features to newer versions of the hardware for no reason, even when support for them in hardware form is absolutely not necessary).
>Show me a single product EVER that doesn't have failure modes or that lasts forever.
Conversation is over.
And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined.
Try walking with a pebble in your shoe or sitting in a crooked chair or sleeping on a lumpy mattress and see how long before you get pissed, O Awakened Unattached Sage
Stop bending over for mediocrity.
That's a false binary choice. You can also shift your purchases to other providers if you think a company is providing a shitty product.
As you see, seeking validation for your anger is not well received when your own culpability goes missing.